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On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 7:15 AM Andr=C3=A1s Simonyi wrote: > Dear All, > > On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 at 09:17, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > > AFAIU, oc-natbib/oc-bibtex also do not support @string because they als= o > > rely upon the built-in Emacs parser for bib files. > > > I have submitted a bug report to Emacs devs [1]. Hopefully it can be > > fixed on Emacs side without a need to switch the bibtex parser. > > Thanks Ihor for submitting the bug report, I think it will be useful > for Emacs to contain a built-in bibtex parser with proper @string > support. > OTOH, a small correction: as far as I can see, oc-natbib and > oc-bibtex (and oc-biblatex) do not parse bib(la)tex files at all, > since they simply transform Org citation and bibliography commands to > their LaTeX equivalent. > > best wishes, > Andr=C3=A1s > > -- John ----------------------------------- Professor John Kitchin (he/him/his) Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 @johnkitchin https://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu https://pointbreezepubs.gumroad.com/ pycse bookstore --0000000000008473cd05e39a1461 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe it is still needed so the tooltip looks nice.=C2=A0=

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 7:15 AM Andr=C3=A1s Simonyi <andras.simonyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 at 09:17, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:

> AFAIU, oc-natbib/oc-bibtex also do not support @string because they al= so
> rely upon the built-in Emacs parser for bib files.

> I have submitted a bug report to Emacs devs [1]. Hopefully it can be > fixed on Emacs side without a need to switch the bibtex parser.

Thanks Ihor for submitting the bug report, I think it will be useful
for Emacs to contain a built-in bibtex parser with proper @string
support.
OTOH, a small correction:=C2=A0 as far as I can see, oc-natbib and
oc-bibtex (and oc-biblatex) do not parse bib(la)tex files at all,
since they simply transform Org citation and bibliography commands to
their LaTeX equivalent.

best wishes,
Andr=C3=A1s

--
J= ohn

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Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
C= arnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
@johnkitchin
https://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
https://pointbreezepu= bs.gumroad.com/=C2=A0pycse bookstore

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