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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Org-mode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zzamboni-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=DStxGUOQ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.21 X-TUID: 21dSSh9rpBUK --000000000000e8539f05a7c85791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Devin, Your could try https://org-web.org/ - it allows online editing of Org files and a quick test shows that it supports the automatic update of checkbox counts. --Diego On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 22:39, Devin Prater wrote: > So, I=E2=80=99ll try to not turn this into a novella. I am a =E2=80=9CTec= hnical > Assistant=E2=80=9D, and I teach at an adult education sort of trade schoo= l. This > probably sounds normal, but the only sort of catch is that I am blind, an= d > so are many of my students, the rest having some vision loss. > > So, I have to find workarounds for just about everything I do. I teach > Assistive Technology, which is basically how to use tech as a > blind/visually impaired person. We have our courses on =F0=9F=98=A3Moodle= =F0=9F=98=A3, because > apparently no one has created a learning system that deals with directori= es > and config files for those who do best in that environment, instead of > freaking databases, and web interfaces even fatter than I am. I do hate w= eb > interfaces, and web interfaces wrapped in =E2=80=9Capps=E2=80=9D too. It = shouldn=E2=80=99t be an > app if its built on web tech. Yes, you too, Electron! > > Anyways, I have some manual tests I do. I have the questions in an > Org-mode file, with checkboxes I can check or leave unchecked. Up until > recently, I went down the list and graded them manually. But I thought = =E2=80=9CNow > wait, can=E2=80=99t the computer do this for me? I mean, Org-mode is so p= owerful, > why not make a Lisp thing that does that for me?=E2=80=9D So, being a ver= y beginner > programmer who still finds it daunting to move my blog from Jekyll to > Hugo=E2=80=94I=E2=80=99m almost done with that=E2=80=94and can only print= stuff with Python, that > didn=E2=80=99t work out so well. I=E2=80=99ll have to actually read throu= gh the Elisp Intro > to get better at that. > > Then, I thought I=E2=80=99d look into the Org manual and see if there was= a way to > =E2=80=9Ccount=E2=80=9D checkboxes. And there is > ! So, I can just put [%] on > the heading where I want the grade, and my goodness, it works! I no longe= r > have to manually grade the assignments! That saves so much time for me, a= nd > now I just wish the world was in Org-mode so I could just manage everythi= ng > else through its power as well. > > Now, I do wish I could share these =E2=80=9Cself-grading=E2=80=9D perform= ance tests with > others. I=E2=80=99ve tried exporting one to HTML, but the grade doesn=E2= =80=99t seem to > update automatically like it does in Org-mode. And no, other teachers > around me are *not* going to switch to Org-mode, let alone Emacs, for thi= s. > So, does anyone have any ideas for how this can be shared? I don=E2=80=99= t know any > Javascript or anything. > > So, thanks so much to the Org maintainers, and the community that keeps > Org alive. It=E2=80=99s allowed me to write and share so much, and soon I= =E2=80=99ll be > using it even more with Hugo. > --000000000000e8539f05a7c85791 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Devin,

Your could try https://org-= web.org/ - it allows online editing of Org files and a quick test shows= that it supports the automatic update of checkbox counts.

--Diego=C2=A0

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 = at 22:39, Devin Prater <r.d.t.= prater@gmail.com> wrote:
So, I=E2=80=99ll try to not= turn this into a novella. I am a =E2=80=9CTechnical Assistant=E2=80=9D, an= d I teach at an adult education sort of trade school. This probably sounds = normal, but the only sort of catch is that I am blind, and so are =C2=A0man= y of my students, the rest having some vision loss.

So, = I have to find workarounds for just about everything I do. I teach Assistiv= e Technology, which is basically how to use tech as a blind/visually impair= ed person. We have our courses on=C2=A0=F0=9F=98=A3Moodle=F0=9F=98=A3, beca= use apparently no one has created a learning system that deals with directo= ries and config files for those who do best in that environment, instead of= freaking databases, and web interfaces even fatter than I am. I do hate we= b interfaces, and web interfaces wrapped in =E2=80=9Capps=E2=80=9D too. It = shouldn=E2=80=99t be an app if its built on web tech. Yes, you too, Electro= n!

Anyways, I have some manual tests I do. I have = the questions in an Org-mode file, with checkboxes I can check or leave unc= hecked. Up until recently, I went down the list and graded them manually. B= ut I thought =E2=80=9CNow wait, can=E2=80=99t the computer do this for me? = I mean, Org-mode is so powerful, why not make a Lisp thing that does that f= or me?=E2=80=9D So, being a very beginner programmer who still finds it dau= nting to move my blog from Jekyll to Hugo=E2=80=94I=E2=80=99m almost done w= ith that=E2=80=94and can only print stuff with Python, that didn=E2=80=99t = work out so well. I=E2=80=99ll have to actually read through the Elisp Intr= o to get better at that.

Then, I thought I=E2=80= =99d look into the Org manual and see if there was a way to =E2=80=9Ccount= =E2=80=9D checkboxes. And=C2=A0there is!=C2=A0 So, I can just put [%] on = the heading where I want the grade, and my goodness, it works! I no longer = have to manually grade the assignments! That saves so much time for me, and= now I just wish the world was in Org-mode so I could just manage everythin= g else through its power as well.

Now, I do wish I= could share these =E2=80=9Cself-grading=E2=80=9D performance tests with ot= hers. I=E2=80=99ve tried exporting one to HTML, but the grade doesn=E2=80= =99t seem to update automatically like it does in Org-mode. And no, other t= eachers around me are *not* going to switch to Org-mode, let alone Emacs, f= or this. So, does anyone have any ideas for how this can be shared? I don= =E2=80=99t know any Javascript or anything.

So, th= anks so much to the Org maintainers, and the community that keeps Org alive= . It=E2=80=99s allowed me to write and share so much, and soon I=E2=80=99ll= be using it even more with Hugo.
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