From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien_Brisard?= Subject: [ox-html] Why are dedicated targets automatically renamed? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:45:23 +0100 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52886) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aM8zv-0001UH-4n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:45:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aM8zq-0005pM-WE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:45:35 -0500 Received: from mx1.polytechnique.org ([129.104.30.34]:42403) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aM8zq-0005nK-Q0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:45:30 -0500 Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com (mail-oi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ssl.polytechnique.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07B7A5646D2 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:45:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-oi0-f44.google.com with SMTP id p187so20771320oia.2 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:45:24 -0800 (PST) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi, I have noticed that org-mode now renames dedicated targets. More precisely, the following org file =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D beginning of a.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - <>Item 1 - <>Item 2 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D end of a.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D gets exported to html as =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D beginning of a.html (extract) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D end of a.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Notice that the targets were renamed item1 -> orgtarget1 and item2 -> orgtarget2. Why is that? With org-publish, it messes up links across files. Is there an option that allows to preserve the user's target name on export= ? I've tried to grep for "orgtarget" through all org files, and could not find where this feature was defined. Thanks for your help, S=C3=A9bastien PS: org-mode 8.2.1 does not have this problem, while v 8.3.3 does. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: [ox-html] Why are dedicated targets automatically renamed? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:52:20 +0100 Message-ID: <87h9ht1kob.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33188) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aPzt2-0001ZY-Dh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2016 16:50:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aPzsy-0007Vt-B3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2016 16:50:24 -0500 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:49305) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aPzsy-0007Ua-3W for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2016 16:50:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22S=C3=A9bastien?= Brisard"'s message of "Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:45:23 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien?= Brisard Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello, S=C3=A9bastien Brisard writes: > I have noticed that org-mode now renames dedicated targets. More > precisely, the following org file > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D beginning of a.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > - <>Item 1 > - <>Item 2 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D end of a.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > gets exported to html as > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D beginning of a.html (extract) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >
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> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D end of a.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Notice that the targets were renamed item1 -> orgtarget1 and item2 -> > orgtarget2. Why is that? It allows using any kind of character for a target without knowing HTML's forbidden ones. > With org-publish, it messes up links across files. What do you mean? <<...>> are internal targets, and by no mean meant to link across documents. > Is there an option that allows to preserve the user's target name on > export? No, there isn't. "ox-latex" provides one, but not "ox-html". Note that custom ID are always preserved, tho. Regards, --=20 Nicolas Goaziou From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien_Brisard?= Subject: Re: [ox-html] Why are dedicated targets automatically renamed? Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 20:59:05 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87h9ht1kob.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34545) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQKd2-0003Wf-5A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 14:59:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQKcx-0002mk-IA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 14:59:16 -0500 Received: from mx1.polytechnique.org ([129.104.30.34]:51739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQKcx-0002mR-8B for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 14:59:11 -0500 Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com (mail-oi0-f45.google.com [209.85.218.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ssl.polytechnique.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7320E565532 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 20:59:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id r14so97139522oie.0 for ; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 11:59:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87h9ht1kob.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello, thanks for your answer! > >> I have noticed that org-mode now renames dedicated targets. More >> precisely, the following org file >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D beginning of a.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> - <>Item 1 >> - <>Item 2 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D end of a.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> gets exported to html as >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D beginning of a.html (extract) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >>
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>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D end of a.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> Notice that the targets were renamed item1 -> orgtarget1 and item2 -> >> orgtarget2. Why is that? > > It allows using any kind of character for a target without knowing > HTML's forbidden ones. > Yes, that's what I found on this ML, but I am not sure I follow the logics. >> With org-publish, it messes up links across files. > > What do you mean? <<...>> are internal targets, and by no mean meant to > link across documents. > Oh really? It does work, though. I use this feature on my blog to link to bibrefs that are in another page. Links like [[file:../pages/references.org::#TARI2008][Tariel et al., 2008]] get exported correctly. Only, the HTML target name is orgtargetXX. Which means that if I add a new bibliographic reference in the references.org file, I need to reexport the whole website, rather than the pages that have changed. But, if I understand correctly, I should not be using this kind of links an= yway? >> Is there an option that allows to preserve the user's target name on >> export? > > No, there isn't. "ox-latex" provides one, but not "ox-html". Note that > custom ID are always preserved, tho. > Yeah, I have explored a solution using custom IDs. They don't work with lists, though (I use description lists for my references). Then I need to define every new bib entry as a header. It's doable, and if you confirm that what I do at the moment should not be working at all, then I will switch to this option. Best, S=C3=A9bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: [ox-html] Why are dedicated targets automatically renamed? Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 17:38:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87si1bjcej.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: <87h9ht1kob.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59294) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQdw9-0000Ui-Ia for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:36:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQdw5-0002BL-0m for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:36:17 -0500 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::196]:45880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQdw4-0002Ad-R0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:36:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22S=C3=A9bastien?= Brisard"'s message of "Mon, 1 Feb 2016 20:59:05 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien?= Brisard Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello, S=C3=A9bastien Brisard writes: > Oh really? It does work, though. I use this feature on my blog to link > to bibrefs that are in another page. Links like > > [[file:../pages/references.org::#TARI2008][Tariel et al., 2008]] > > get exported correctly. Only, the HTML target name is orgtargetXX. > Which means that if I add a new bibliographic reference in the > references.org file, I need to reexport the whole website, rather than > the pages that have changed. > > But, if I understand correctly, I should not be using this kind of > links anyway? If you do, you're on your own. We cannot ensure this will always work. > Yeah, I have explored a solution using custom IDs. They don't work > with lists, though (I use description lists for my references). Then I > need to define every new bib entry as a header. It's doable, and if > you confirm that what I do at the moment should not be working at all, > then I will switch to this option. You could insert your own targets with #+HTML or @@html:...@@ directives, e.g., #+HTML: Text Another option is to implement `org-latex-prefer-user-labels' for HTML back-end, if you want to. Regards, --=20 Nicolas Goaziou From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien_Brisard?= Subject: Re: [ox-html] Why are dedicated targets automatically renamed? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:27:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87h9ht1kob.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87si1bjcej.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54580) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQrqY-0006Pu-FK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 02:27:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQrqU-0005IC-Dy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 02:27:26 -0500 Received: from mx1.polytechnique.org ([129.104.30.34]:33996) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQrqU-0005Gb-6y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 02:27:22 -0500 Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ssl.polytechnique.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44DE75647D6 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:27:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id xk3so18146056obc.2 for ; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 23:27:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87si1bjcej.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello again, > > > Oh really? It does work, though. I use this feature on my blog to link > > to bibrefs that are in another page. Links like > > > > [[file:../pages/references.org::#TARI2008][Tariel et al., 2008]] > > > > get exported correctly. Only, the HTML target name is orgtargetXX. > > Which means that if I add a new bibliographic reference in the > > references.org file, I need to reexport the whole website, rather than > > the pages that have changed. > > > > But, if I understand correctly, I should not be using this kind of > > links anyway? > > If you do, you're on your own. We cannot ensure this will always work. > Fair enough. I did not realize that, I will no longer this feature, then. > > > Yeah, I have explored a solution using custom IDs. They don't work > > with lists, though (I use description lists for my references). Then I > > need to define every new bib entry as a header. It's doable, and if > > you confirm that what I do at the moment should not be working at all, > > then I will switch to this option. > > You could insert your own targets with #+HTML or @@html:...@@ > directives, e.g., > > #+HTML: > Text > I'd rather use a "pure org" option. My solution is as follows. Replace all description list items, like - <> [[http://www.ing.unitn.it/~bigoni/paper/eigenvalues.pdf][Bigoni and Zaccaria (1994)]] :: D. Bigoni and D. Zaccaria, /On the eigenvalues of the acoustic tensor in elastoplasticity/, European Journal of Mechanics - A/Solids 13(5):621-638, 1994 With headings * [[http://www.ing.unitn.it/~bigoni/paper/eigenvalues.pdf][Bigoni and Zaccaria (1994)]] :PROPERTIES: :CUSTOM_ID: BIGO1994 :HTML_CONTAINER_CLASS: sb-bib :END: The trick being to use HTML_CONTAINER_CLASS to tune the appearance of these headings from the CSS file. Although a bit more verbose, this solution exports links correctly. > > Another option is to implement `org-latex-prefer-user-labels' for HTML > back-end, if you want to. > ... Which is way beyond my elisp capabilities!!! Anyway, thanks for this very helpful answer. Orgmode is great! Best regards, S=C3=A9bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "D. C. Toedt" Subject: Re: [ox-html] Why are dedicated targets automatically renamed? 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--001a113d21c6abf0fe053f259ba5-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: [ox-html] Why are dedicated targets automatically renamed? Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:51:32 +0200 Message-ID: <874m47yne3.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58517) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bxGZ4-0002ub-Oq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:51:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bxGZ3-0004nY-Tp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:51:34 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::196]:40024) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bxGZ3-0004m2-O6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:51:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: (D. C. Toedt's message of "Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:46:40 -0500") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: "D. C. Toedt" Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello, "D. C. Toedt" writes: > I'm late to this thread but found it in researching a similar problem. I > use designated targets to create a permanently-named internal HTML anchor > that I can use in providing a precisely-targeted complete URL that points > to a specific paragraph (as opposed to a section). Example: In the file > index.org, the org-mode dedicated target <> should export to > HTML as: http://www.example.com/index.html#ThisTarget. The name #ThisTarget > needs to be permanent because the document in question is a work in > progress. > > Based on Nicolas's suggestion (downthread) about using #+HTML: or @@html: , > I did a couple of quickie macros to create anchors and links, but > that's a pain and clutters up the on-screen display in org-mode. For the record, any implementation of `org-html-prefer-user-labels', similar to `org-latex-prefer-user-labels' is welcome, as long it is isn't active by default. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou