From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id AIPUGxYwal+5NQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 17:10:46 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id GFi0FxYwal9qUwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 17:10:46 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1906940606 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 17:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:43178 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKloR-0005QD-7o for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 13:10:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56238) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKlLr-0007hW-7C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:41:11 -0400 Received: from mail-il1-x12a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a]:35561) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKlLo-0003m0-VX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:41:10 -0400 Received: by mail-il1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id y9so17949731ilq.2 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=kZjKibS96SHEwTN7Lv837ylHw2121k0IKH5ulZsFOaY=; b=bb6slVy9q89f5D38+NAQutaDvGfXSYK3KyZmVrTAz7owaj37tJklGAwMthlYMCzTGb GVsq08Imq9H+mROhnAjq8X5Vo+S6ene9O5DjbNf21yzIq6aXFYTVl9RCptUrGTo8LEYr cDiVJ1mO8IRYW2IBucC6cTBuMM6yj3EPYZv9qotqrdhXhnv6Co8w1dRxmS1PuAiNR+gK ZDmUeRSw3Phw0dgLYnfkCDMfj9o86hCpdPIW/5Vg8NnimGejpcKBnhBN8e3a7C6MRF6X zHOoGIom/QV4JXAXqoxATFrykiOch86iU4Q3KCJnG+lDsj/1lZuUFrPjC0C8ZgelkYwO AX3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=kZjKibS96SHEwTN7Lv837ylHw2121k0IKH5ulZsFOaY=; b=VAp/uI9ge/p+WT+dJcZgAyxcewFT9TH1uWNSfin/LMs5lllk5wruNucFlYclj6emKV HjeZY0KEEOlg2h3elanAZNm5WRD+QvWluHMzCvbAO4At2H38vEhYFH+tvTFcaE1NnlPP J3lhiu2+dHgQ49VPthSBeLSBvZVwNLgzENvqgeoJ/drQTgo4sI+eCpHjDeUvoMdc33sA PZoFv4lQNfbUG8kWp30azgnfqECf5/jIDU1pOe+xo0CXcpWN+ODCxKKjbg3eZOiOP4cg TdezSKPBTHlEAHTBhYXCQhA2Qribf3ZHq0gvueiBZysugWgq8Ti0tGE9g9xkz3ieIj4H bOzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530DiuI274yUMPXAyC5lyRponLFLMPkyRT/9q73eCzIpd0byxlHW sdDNS4cT9JxBTZc904xGxuGbIwfC0spnudRKOPXwhOM1rdY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyxB0Yv69wjdDRoPgxIz2u4H2uaHNJEbJQD7iM/7nRqY0491VwSzqWRtz7hHE5z1O3GmG3udiE/XxQsVr+0Ffw= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d105:: with SMTP id a5mr5080478ilb.206.1600792866939; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:41:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87k0wlsxxt.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Devin Prater Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:40:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Website Revamp: The final stretch To: emacs-org list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000031691905afe9a269" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a; envelope-from=r.d.t.prater@gmail.com; helo=mail-il1-x12a.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=bb6slVy9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.71 X-TUID: JbZNY+WxDOS1 --00000000000031691905afe9a269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm just going over the site to check accessibility with screenn readers, and here are a few things I've found: On https://orgmode.tecosaur.com/features.html: The first figure is not labeled, so I do not know what it is. The second figure is just labeled "babel.gif", which doesn't tell me much (pretending to be some one who knows nothing of Org-mode). After the "Collapsable Editing" heading, that figure is labeled "folding.gif" which is slightly better, but could be described much more, and without the .gif extension in the alt-text. After the "Task Management" heading, this figure likewise isn't described, only having its file name, "planning.gif", as the alt-text or description. After the "tables" heading, the figure, tables.gif, should be described using Alt-text instead of just leaving the file name there. After the "publishing" heading, the "exports.gif" figure should be described. Also after that heading, in the list of export formats, the second item just says "clickable" as the list item. After the "Extensibility" heading, the figure does not even have a file name as its Alt-text. After the "Time Tracking (Clocking)", the figure has no Alt-text. After the "Agendas" heading, the figure has no Alt-text. After the "Capturing" heading, the figure only has "capturing.gif" as the Alt-text. After the "With your mobile phone" heading, the figure below has "beorg.png" as the Alt-text. Also, I cannot find the area to view the Org-mode source of a page. Basically, describe the figures, don't just leave the description as the file name. I tested this with Google Chrome 85, and the NVDA screen reader. The rest of the site looks good. Devin Prater sent from Gmail. On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 11:13 AM Stefan Nobis wrote: > TEC writes: > > > 2. Picking the best 'Hero banner' on the home page :: > > I like Variant 1-1 the most - all other variants are a bit too big and > yelling for my eyes. > > Maybe use size and layout of Variant 1-1 with colors of the last > variant (page 9, gray background)? > > -- > Until the next mail..., > Stefan. > > --00000000000031691905afe9a269 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm just going over the site to check accessibility wi= th screenn readers, and here are a few things I've found:


The firs= t figure is not labeled, so I do not know what it is. The second figure is = just labeled "babel.gif", which doesn't tell me much (pretend= ing to be some one=C2=A0who knows nothing of Org-mode). After the "Col= lapsable Editing" heading, that figure is labeled "folding.gif&qu= ot; which is slightly better, but could be described much more, and without= the .gif extension=C2=A0in the alt-text.
After the "Task Ma= nagement" heading, this figure likewise isn't described, only havi= ng its file name, "planning.gif", as the alt-text or description.= After the "tables" heading, the figure, tables.gif, should be de= scribed using Alt-text instead of just leaving the file name there.
After the "publishing" heading, the "exports.gif" fi= gure should be described. Also after that heading, in the list of export fo= rmats, the second item just says "clickable" as the list item.
After the "Extensibility" heading, the figure does not ev= en have a file name as its Alt-text. After the "Time Tracking (Clockin= g)", the figure has no Alt-text. After the "Agendas" heading= , the figure has no Alt-text.
After the "Capturing" hea= ding, the figure only has "capturing.gif" as the Alt-text. After = the "With your mobile phone" heading, the figure below has "= beorg.png" as the Alt-text.

Also, I cannot fi= nd the area to view the Org-mode source of a page. Basically, describe the = figures, don't just leave the description as the file name. I tested th= is with Google Chrome 85, and the=C2=A0NVDA=C2=A0screen reader. The rest of the site looks good.
<= br>


Devin Prater
sen= t from Gmail.


On Tue, Sep 22, = 2020 at 11:13 AM Stefan Nobis <st= efan-ml@snobis.de> wrote:
TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:

> 2. Picking the best 'Hero banner' on the home page ::

I like Variant 1-1 the most - all other variants are a bit too big and
yelling for my eyes.

Maybe use size and layout of Variant 1-1 with colors of the last
variant (page 9, gray background)?

--
Until the next mail...,
Stefan.

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