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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=FSKkKI8T; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.71 X-TUID: 8sS4ST78SPu0 --00000000000097d41705a8d70d2c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Sorry for being late to the party, but, IMO, this doesn't sound like > a right approach to the problem of invisible emphasis markers. A user > choosing to hide emphasis markers should not need to=E2=80=94or even be g= iven > the opportunity to=E2=80=94display them in order to edit them efficiently= . > I agree that if org-emphasize handled marker visibility states in a DWIM fashion, then a user should not need to display them, but why do you believe they shouldn't have the opportunity, especially given that this is the exact behavior of prettify-symbols-mode? Could you walk me through, in your proposed DWIM system, how a user should be able to remove or change emphasis markers after they are rendered and hidden? Shankar --00000000000097d41705a8d70d2c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry for being late to the party, but, IMO, this doesn't sound like a right approach to the problem of invisible emphasis markers. A user
choosing to hide emphasis markers should not need to=E2=80=94or even be giv= en
the opportunity to=E2=80=94display them in order to edit them efficiently.<= br>

I agree that if org-emphasize handled m= arker visibility states in a DWIM fashion, then a user should not need to d= isplay them, but why do you believe they shouldn't have the opportunity= , especially given that this is the exact behavior of prettify-symbols-mode= ?

Could you walk me through, in your proposed DWIM= system, how a user should be able to remove or change emphasis markers aft= er they are rendered and hidden?

Shankar
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