From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Tom Davey Subject: Re: org-speed-commands-default 1 2 3 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:35:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8D04F1BE-A07B-4571-A991-B2D24484CD50@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3844cfe78cb04e56e3172 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51292) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGcj0-0005nu-Cv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:35:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGciy-00056m-PD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:35:58 -0400 Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]:61474) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGciy-00056c-Df for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:35:56 -0400 Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id f12so1715880wgh.2 for ; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 15:35:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Cc: org mode --001a11c3844cfe78cb04e56e3172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Olen writes: > Level 2 is very useful - and cannot, unlike Level 1, be reached by S-TAB. Actually, it can. S-TAB takes a numeric prefix key. The doc string says: "When ARG is a numeric prefix, show contents of this level." So, you can directly open or close the outline to _any_ desired level "N" with C-N S-TAB. I find that feature to be incredibly handy. It encourages me to nest my outlines as deeply as I wish. Here's a little navigation utility I wrote to take advantage of S-TAB's ability. Sometimes I'll want to collapse the outline to the level at point in order, say, to clean things up by closing all lower levels. However, it's not always obvious to me what level I'm on. And without knowing what level I'm on, I can't hit the right numeric prefix for S-TAB. The following utility does it all automagically by passing the result of org-outline-level() to S-TAB. C-S-TAB is a logical binding for this function. (defun open-org-outline-to-current-level () "Opens or closes the Orgmode outline to the level at point." (interactive) (org-shifttab (org-outline-level)) (message "The current outline level is %s." (org-outline-level))) Regards, Tom Davey On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Oleh wrote: > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Carsten Dominik > wrote: > > > > On 23.7.2013, at 15:48, Oleh wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I've recently started using `org-use-speed-commands', and I like it a > lot, > >> except I had to make one tweak: > >> > >> (setq org-use-speed-commands t) > >> (setq org-speed-commands-user > >> '(("1" . (org-shifttab 1)) > >> ("2" . (org-shifttab 2)) > >> ("3" . (org-shifttab 3)))) > >> > >> The corresponding values of `org-speed-commands-default' aren't that > useful > >> for GTD: > >> > >> ("1" org-priority 65) > >> ("2" org-priority 66) > >> ("3" org-priority 67) > > > > That depends on wether you work with priorities. I find S-TAB easy > enough, so I do not > > really see the need for speed commands here. > > Maybe I should elaborate my point of view on the usability. > Priorities don't normally need "buttons" to jump between states, > a "knob" is enough: only increase/decrease priority, not jump to priority > 1, > jump to priority 2 etc. > > Outlines, on the other hand, can benefit from the ability to jump between > the levels of expansion. > > Level 1 is very useful - it minimizes everything, showing the > structure of the file. S-TAB is useful and simple, but you have to > repeat several times, > checking each time if it has brought you to the level that you wanted to > be on. > > Level 2 is very useful - and cannot, unlike Level 1, be reached by S-TAB. > For my gtd.org, it shows the tasks and appointments, without expanding > them, as well as the project names, but not what they contain. > This gives a nice overview of my projects. > > Level 3 is very useful - and cannot be reached by S-TAB. > It shows me the separate TODOs for my projects, without revealing my > notes on them, just the headings. > I even bound the rest of the digits to levels and it is useful sometimes. > > In my opinion, these shortcuts make org-mode a better outlining tool, > and should be given priority before the priority shortcuts. > > Slightly off-topic, these type of shortcuts is why I use Ubuntu Unity (I > think > I managed to turn off the spying). It's got a feature that Super+1-9 > switches between applications in the sidebar slots 1-9. Sure, it's > possible to do with Alt-TAB, and that's what most other desktops do, > but Super+1-9 is superior, since you don't have to wait for feedback, > you instantly get what you want. > > regards, > Oleh > > -- -- Tom Davey tom@tomdavey.com New York NY USA --001a11c3844cfe78cb04e56e3172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Olen writes:

> Level 2 is very u= seful - and cannot, unlike Level 1, be reached by S-TAB.

Actua= lly, it can. S-TAB takes a numeric prefix key. The doc string says:
"When ARG is a numeric prefix, show contents of this level."
<= br>
So, you can directly open or close the outline to _any_ desired le= vel "N" with C-N S-TAB. I find that feature to be incredibly hand= y. It encourages me to nest my outlines as deeply as I wish.

Here's a little navigation utility I wrote to take advan= tage of S-TAB's ability. Sometimes I'll want to collapse the outlin= e to the level at point in order, say, to clean things up by closing all lo= wer levels. However, it's not always obvious to me what level I'm o= n. And without knowing what level I'm on, I can't hit the right num= eric prefix for S-TAB. The following utility does it all automagically by p= assing the result of org-outline-level() to S-TAB. C-S-TAB is a logical bin= ding for this function.

(defun open-org-outline-to-current-level ()
=A0 "Opens or close= s the Orgmode outline to the level at point."
=A0=A0 (interactive)=
=A0=A0 (org-shifttab (org-outline-level))
=A0=A0 (message "The = current outline level is %s." (org-outline-level)))

Regards,
Tom Davey



On Thu, Au= g 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Oleh <ohwoeowho@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:0= 1 AM, Carsten Dominik
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
>
> On 23.7.2013, at 15:48, Oleh <ohwoeowho@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've recently started using `org-use-speed-commands', and = I like it a lot,
>> except I had to make one tweak:
>>
>> =A0 =A0(setq org-use-speed-commands t)
>> =A0 =A0(setq org-speed-commands-user
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'(("1" . (org-shifttab 1))
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0("2" . (org-shifttab 2))
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0("3" . (org-shifttab 3))))
>>
>> The corresponding values of `org-speed-commands-default' aren&= #39;t that useful
>> for GTD:
>>
>> =A0 =A0("1" org-priority 65)
>> =A0 =A0("2" org-priority 66)
>> =A0 =A0("3" org-priority 67)
>
> That depends on wether you work with priorities. =A0I find S-TAB easy = enough, so I do not
> really see the need for speed commands here.

Maybe I should elaborate my point of view on the usability.
Priorities don't normally need "buttons" to jump between stat= es,
a "knob" is enough: only increase/decrease priority, not jump to = priority 1,
jump to priority 2 etc.

Outlines, on the other hand, can benefit from the ability to jump between the levels of expansion.

Level 1 is very useful - it minimizes everything, showing the
structure of the file. S-TAB is useful and simple, but you have to
repeat several times,
checking each time if it has brought you to the level that you wanted to be= on.

Level 2 is very useful - and cannot, unlike Level 1, be reached by S-TAB. For my gtd.org, it shows t= he tasks and appointments, without expanding
them, as well as the project names, but not what they contain.
This gives a nice overview of my projects.

Level 3 is very useful - and cannot be reached by S-TAB.
It shows me the separate TODOs for my projects, without revealing my
notes on them, just the headings.
I even bound the rest of the digits to levels and it is useful sometimes.
In my opinion, these shortcuts make org-mode a better outlining tool,
and should be given priority before the priority shortcuts.

Slightly off-topic, these type of shortcuts is why I use Ubuntu Unity (I th= ink
I managed to turn off the spying). It's got a feature that Super+1-9 switches between applications in the sidebar slots 1-9. Sure, it's
possible to do with Alt-TAB, and that's what most other desktops do, but Super+1-9 is superior, since you don't have to wait for feedback, you instantly get what you want.

regards,
Oleh




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