From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Kaushal Modi Subject: Hopes of making orgmanual.org the official manual? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:58:16 +0000 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11450f48748dd00545ea4d40 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRkZx-0006md-P6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:58:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRkZw-0007C0-RW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:58:29 -0500 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-org list , Bastien Guerry --001a11450f48748dd00545ea4d40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello all, Are there plans to have the orgmanual.org ( http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/tree/contrib/orgmanual.org) completely replace the texinfo version at some point? I believe that orgmanual.org was synchronized with the texinfo version when it was checked in. But I fear that if this switching to org manual step is delayed, there might not be enough motivation to keep orgmanual.org maintained. -- Kaushal Modi --001a11450f48748dd00545ea4d40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--001a11450f48748dd00545ea4d40-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Hopes of making orgmanual.org the official manual? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:51:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87eg08awf6.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40337) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlPv-0002Gh-PB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:52:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlPu-0003nB-Vr for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:52:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Kaushal Modi's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:58:16 +0000") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Kaushal Modi Cc: Bastien Guerry , emacs-org list Hello, Kaushal Modi writes: > Are there plans to have the orgmanual.org ( > http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/tree/contrib/orgmanual.org) > completely replace the texinfo version at some point? The first step is to have orgmanual.org generate org.texi. We're not there yet because there is no 1:1 correspondence between constructs used in org.texi and Org syntax. > I believe that orgmanual.org was synchronized with the texinfo version > when it was checked in. No, it wasn't even compiling when it landed in contrib/. Now, it exports correctly. The process is slow, though, due to the sheer number of macros (900+) and some code blocks at the end that can be removed. > But I fear that if this switching to org manual step is > delayed, there might not be enough motivation to keep orgmanual.org > maintained. Note that orgmanual.org is not maintained so far. A starting point would be to try to update a small part of the manual and report what is missing in "ox-texinfo.el". As a side note, I think we could use some free (i.e., noop in "ox-texinfo.el") emphasis markers, e.g. "+...+", for additional syntax, e.g., @key{...}, or @kbd{...}. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: Hopes of making orgmanual.org the official manual? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:15:03 -0800 Message-ID: <871sw82fy0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45785) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlmh-0000wP-0p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:15:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlmd-0003zX-M8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:15:42 -0500 Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56738 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlmd-0003zE-D9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:15:39 -0500 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlmQ-0005qG-Un for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:15:26 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Kaushal Modi writes: > Hello all, > > Are there plans to have the orgmanual.org > (http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/tree/contrib/orgmanual.org) > completely replace the texinfo version at some point? > > I believe that orgmanual.org was synchronized with the texinfo version > when it was checked in. But I fear that if this switching to org > manual step is delayed, there might not be enough motivation to keep > orgmanual.org maintained. I must be missing something -- is there a SETUPFILE that's necessary to make this work? Where are all the macros defined? Thanks, Eric From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: Hopes of making orgmanual.org the official manual? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:25:57 -0800 Message-ID: <87tw9410ve.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <871sw82fy0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87wpe09ghj.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48168) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlwi-0002WJ-Q5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:26:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlwd-0008QZ-PQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:26:04 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:57683) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlwd-0008QO-K0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:25:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87wpe09ghj.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:21:28 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On 01/12/17 21:21 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Hello, > > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Kaushal Modi writes: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Are there plans to have the orgmanual.org >>> (http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/tree/contrib/orgmanual.org) >>> completely replace the texinfo version at some point? >>> >>> I believe that orgmanual.org was synchronized with the texinfo version >>> when it was checked in. But I fear that if this switching to org >>> manual step is delayed, there might not be enough motivation to keep >>> orgmanual.org maintained. >> >> I must be missing something -- is there a SETUPFILE that's necessary to >> make this work? Where are all the macros defined? > > Everything is in the headlines tagged with :noexport: at the end of the document. Right you are! Sorry about that. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Hopes of making orgmanual.org the official manual? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:21:28 +0100 Message-ID: <87wpe09ghj.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: <871sw82fy0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlsK-0006Vk-HN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:21:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlsJ-0006b5-6e for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:21:32 -0500 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::196]:54105) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRlsJ-0006aV-0A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:21:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871sw82fy0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:15:03 -0800") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello, Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Kaushal Modi writes: > >> Hello all, >> >> Are there plans to have the orgmanual.org >> (http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/tree/contrib/orgmanual.org) >> completely replace the texinfo version at some point? >> >> I believe that orgmanual.org was synchronized with the texinfo version >> when it was checked in. But I fear that if this switching to org >> manual step is delayed, there might not be enough motivation to keep >> orgmanual.org maintained. > > I must be missing something -- is there a SETUPFILE that's necessary to > make this work? Where are all the macros defined? Everything is in the headlines tagged with :noexport: at the end of the document. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Hopes of making orgmanual.org the official manual? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:39:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87shoo9fo8.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: <87eg08awf6.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50991) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRm9U-0003cj-9P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:39:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRm9T-0004vV-H1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:39:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87eg08awf6.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:51:57 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Kaushal Modi Cc: Bastien Guerry , emacs-org list Correcting myself, Nicolas Goaziou writes: > The process is slow, though, due to the sheer number of macros (900+) There are exactly 2050 macros at the moment. I was wide of the mark.