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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655691170; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=REdXflUaLRERE2taG6c/YCxyfRAPHSn5p/2tXfN4eao=; b=ny3IQ1vIAHTXNjIlqJqfkS0qURbciuzirBlbr09XHiYj8+cZlVvTMaFUIjESv2SZf79vZv QBGItsIHa4zYjp3Sf7L10+nZMKlL6Y0CwyFkIwmA6HnmnR2Hv1DnBRAE9ElvSthEnmPSQe D/0KerOXQMsJaoj1HEvB0zgHSwI1qchwP+1yxS4dD5UtIKMZ1/oV3uSmBu/bn6/9mfxYAv Mtfbmih6kAiwnwq+jqNXcO7e6f6HDwEVd8KXca+tGTKrn1GvB6syElNnlHJWuwIg3GiZFG c10aFs0EcoC30F4J0VKDgAfJZuavjYWVrDRtHa2JIrM93GAO2RtT6gItw42BvQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655691170; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=oUGqxa0n/hD8AbvjyMjTUeh8xJJPFGVdV88NkkU9zL1c82mwT9Q5CmI1zF4xxGCg1eTmln XsLasEsde7+LvvvTjSxFem3dnUB941CzRIcXXO52WMwfxdAl4kAhsXcwl5HyzL+hcYcmW/ u5h6zhlQYfTZNG3wyixz1j1+navAfgvjS6r5HMKdtSKiagArRhntMX1kNljEDhIhRhwOGI gJUffdd+Lx+lnqSEu6ItyILu6Dw0MSGGcSzBTkbTBnGJbtMqMuq9Mf05zMKDd/SWQTiX6h NSSj+mKa1Giv6d0pxFd1KizNK3h/5SB7xdNJQV3uvgZJBJh8nCWwIpLkWuBP9g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=XNFFeaMU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.78 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=XNFFeaMU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BE25C2FFC3 X-Spam-Score: -8.78 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ZnubHqbreoXP --00000000000079bb4605e1d7a15b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Understood Ihor I respect your position & predicament But I've published my public key address; I know you're an avid & prolific donor of free software--watch your code donations submitted daily--I'll continue to support free software forever of course & thanks very much to RMS & the FSF for starting the free software movement & supporting its growth for many years Suggest you stay away from PayPal & ALL the other methods you suggested--PayPal for example has been shutting down the accounts of "freedom fighters" & can & will continue to do so whenever they wish, for whatever reason they choose You have permission to use my name as your fake software developer "nom de guerre" & I can relay the funding to you in whatever manner you desire--PayPal is fine...until they ban me from that--notes can be made during the transaction of what the project is that you're developing or whatever & then I can relay the money I pay my taxes on crypto gains; but, if I make no money on the transaction in such a transaction, well then I owe no taxes, so I wouldn't have to worry about that--and what laws would you be violating in your country? None that I can think of Just out of curiosity: What country do you reside? Is it Russia? Last I heard Russia is accepting BitCoin for oil, right? I mean, just look what happened in Canada: Truckers used a funding site, funding site was shuttered & bank accounts seized & the list of everyone that donated was published "accidentally" If they used Monero instead, then NONE of the above problems would have manifested--Monero is as NOT trackable & its uncensorable On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 9:22 PM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: > > > > I have been recently exploring Liberapay and stumbled upon > > > https://liberapay.com/about/teams. > > > > Is it possible to make a donation through Liberapay without running > > any nonfree software? Including nonfree Javascript software send > > by the site itself? > > > > And is it possible for the intended recipients to receive the money > > without running nonfree software including JS? > > > > If the answers are yes and yes, maybe that system is ethical and good. > > Otherwise, it is not a solution, only a different variation of the > problem. > > AFAIU, no and no. See > > https://list.orgmode.org/CAFm0skG_-80iQ-TO-hduvVt_GHQWosOHBeHJ61dyA=wNg8vc_w@mail.gmail.com/T/#m322d74a1efb4e3773ae2df7b6bda4505c4b5fa15 > > It looks like there is no free option as long as banks are involved. > > Cryptocurrencies are easier in terms of software freedom, but their > legal status is not stable (e.g. cryptocurrency is illegal in the > country I now live in). > > Best, > Ihor > > --00000000000079bb4605e1d7a15b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Understood Ihor

I respect your position= & predicament=C2=A0

But I've published my= public key address; I know you're an avid & prolific donor of free= software--watch your code donations submitted daily--I'll continue to = support free software forever of course & thanks very much to RMS &= the FSF for starting the free software movement & supporting its growt= h for many years

Suggest you stay away from PayPal= & ALL the other methods you suggested--PayPal for example has been shu= tting down the accounts of "freedom fighters" & can & wil= l continue to do so whenever they wish, for whatever reason they choose

You have permission to use my name as your fake softw= are developer "nom de guerre" & I can relay the funding to yo= u in whatever manner you desire--PayPal is fine...until they ban me from th= at--notes can be made during the transaction of what the project is that yo= u're developing or whatever & then I can relay the money
=
I pay my taxes on crypto gains; but, if I make no money on t= he transaction in such a transaction, well then I owe no taxes, so I wouldn= 't have to worry about that--and what laws would you be violating in yo= ur country? None that I can think of

Just out of c= uriosity: What country do you reside?

Is it Russia= ? Last I heard Russia is accepting BitCoin for oil, right?

I mean, just look what happened in Canada: Truckers used a funding= site, funding site was shuttered & bank accounts seized & the list= of everyone that donated was published "accidentally"=C2=A0

If they used Monero instead, then NONE of the above pr= oblems would have manifested--Monero is as NOT trackable & its uncensor= able




=


On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 9:22 PM Ihor Radchenko <= ;yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:
Richard Stallman &= lt;rms@gnu.org> wri= tes:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> I have been recently exploring Liberapay and stumbled= upon
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> https://liberapay.com/about/teams.
>
> Is it possible to make a donation through Liberapay without running > any nonfree software?=C2=A0 Including nonfree Javascript software send=
> by the site itself?
>
> And is it possible for the intended recipients to receive the money > without running nonfree software including JS?
>
> If the answers are yes and yes, maybe that system is ethical and good.=
> Otherwise, it is not a solution, only a different variation of the pro= blem.

AFAIU, no and no. See
https://list.orgmode.org/CAFm0skG_-80= iQ-TO-hduvVt_GHQWosOHBeHJ61dyA=3DwNg8vc_w@mail.gmail.com/T/#m322d74a1efb4e3= 773ae2df7b6bda4505c4b5fa15

It looks like there is no free option as long as banks are involved.

Cryptocurrencies are easier in terms of software freedom, but their
legal status is not stable (e.g. cryptocurrency is illegal in the
country I now live in).

Best,
Ihor

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