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Does it solve your problem? Strongly suggest splitting up large OrgMode files when things slow down and/or just putting a link to those other files that you may want to use when in your main OrgMode file by using the file protocol: [[file:~/my-OrgMode-file2][File2]] [[file:~/my-OrgMode-file3][File3]] ... Other than that, I'd suggest trying to use CygWin on Windows first if you haven't used CygWin yet, CygWin comes with XWindows & many other things related to Linux that you may be familiar with can be used too--CygWin was donated to the Free Software Communities from Red Hat--many thanks Red Hat! What do Kill Gates' Micro$loth WindBlows users use now to run Emacs & OrgMode?--y'all use CygWin right? Installing CygWin on Windows is quick and easy & then so is installing Emacs and/or OrgMode after that On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 6:19 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: > Why not use a linux live disk and take the operating system for a spin > without disrupting any of windows? The live cd's allow for trial before > installation. > > > > Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > > . > > On Fri, 6 Jan 2023, orzodk wrote: > > > Greg Minshall writes: > > > > > Ypo, > > > > > >> Do you think that if I install a Linux OS, Orgmode would run fast? Any > > >> OS suggestion? > > > > > > it might (*). if it's not too hard to install linux (i have no idea), > you > > > might figure out some sort of benchmark for your org experience, then > > > try switching, see what happens. (there are a lot of variables.) > > > > > > good luck. Greg > > > > > > (*) as a linux enthusiast, and a knee-jerk windows-denier, i want to > > > *believe* it will; that mostly unfounded belief will be of little help > > > to you, though. > > > > I'm in a similar boat, Linux enthusiast, but you're at a point of > > frustration where reinstalling an OS is an option then unless you're > > looking for an execuse to install Linux you might start by reinstalling > > Windows. > > > > If a fresh copy of Windows with years(?) of cruft removed still isn't > > suitable then you might do as Greg suggests and try Linux to see if you > > prefer that experience. > > > > > > --0000000000000aa04105f1a1b8f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As always great advice from Jude DaSheill= :

In Emacs you can set the auto-save-interval SETQ to wh= atever you want; suggest you increase that number of interval of keystrokes= required before an auto-save or maybe just turn off auto-saving altogether= --if things start to slow down

If you do try Linux= ; and everyone should at one point, realize that in Linux you can easily cr= eate & mount extra "swap partitions" on your hard drive which= can be used in lieu of memory and/or in addition to it, if indeed as you w= ondered, there may be a bottleneck of memory usage when you try to use OrgM= ode--adding swap space may help--maybe not, I haven't looked into it re= cently, don't want to get your hopes up for such a solution
<= br>
In Linux you can also use exotic things like PVM--Parrallel V= irtual Memory--i.e. use memory from OTHER machines YMMV

In Linux you can also use Emacs OrgMode and/or VLFMode i.e. "Ver= y Large File Mode" and/or use FUSE to meld directory trees together wi= th remote machines & then edit with your best machine, the machine with= the largest RAM--with VLFMode in Emacs you can edit files of ANY size (sin= ce it only puts in part of the file at a time)--or you could try VLFMode in= the first place; please tell me the results if you try that--does it speed= up things for you? Does it solve your problem?

Strongly suggest splitting up large OrgMode files when things slow down a= nd/or just putting a link to those other files that you may want to use whe= n in your main OrgMode file by using the file protocol:

[[file:~/my-OrgMode-file2][File2]] [[file:~/my-OrgMode-file3][File3]]= ...=C2=A0

Other than that, I'd suggest trying= to use CygWin on Windows first if you haven't used CygWin yet, CygWin = comes with XWindows & many other things related to Linux that you may b= e familiar with can be used too--CygWin was donated to the Free Software Co= mmunities from Red Hat--many thanks Red Hat!

What = do Kill Gates' Micro$loth WindBlows users use now to run Emacs & Or= gMode?--y'all use CygWin right?

Installing Cyg= Win on Windows is quick and easy & then so is installing Emacs and/or O= rgMode after that

On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 6:19 PM Jude DaShi= ell <jdashiel@panix.com> wr= ote:
Why not use= a linux live disk and take the operating system for a spin
without disrupting any of windows?=C2=A0 The live cd's allow for trial = before
installation.



Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be use= d in
defense of liberty:
=C2=A0soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2023, orzodk wrote:

> Greg Minshall <minshall@umich.edu> writes:
>
> > Ypo,
> >
> >> Do you think that if I install a Linux OS, Orgmode would run = fast? Any
> >> OS suggestion?
> >
> > it might (*).=C2=A0 if it's not too hard to install linux (i = have no idea), you
> > might figure out some sort of benchmark for your org experience, = then
> > try switching, see what happens.=C2=A0 (there are a lot of variab= les.)
> >
> > good luck.=C2=A0 Greg
> >
> > (*) as a linux enthusiast, and a knee-jerk windows-denier, i want= to
> > *believe* it will; that mostly unfounded belief will be of little= help
> > to you, though.
>
> I'm in a similar boat, Linux enthusiast, but you're at a point= of
> frustration where reinstalling an OS is an option then unless you'= re
> looking for an execuse to install Linux you might start by reinstallin= g
> Windows.
>
> If a fresh copy of Windows with years(?) of cruft removed still isn= 9;t
> suitable then you might do as Greg suggests and try Linux to see if yo= u
> prefer that experience.
>
>

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