From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Scot Becker Subject: Re: Org Writer's room Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 12:12:50 +0500 Message-ID: References: <87lidc6nc1.fsf@pank.eu> <50BFEA73.2050309@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045016cf3e0065f04d029d4d7 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34940) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TgVeB-000117-Cz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:13:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TgVdv-00038C-Nh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:13:27 -0500 Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:61757) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TgVdv-000381-Ix for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:13:11 -0500 Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id o19so471674qap.0 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:13:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Cc: Org Mode --005045016cf3e0065f04d029d4d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a now-seldom but was-daily user of Org-mode (work changed) who has long been fascinated with Scrivener. I think this project is a great idea. And emacs/org seems a very fertile ground to implement it in. Scot On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Matt Price wrote: > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > On 06/12/12 11:22, Rasmus wrote: > >> > >> Andrew Hyatt writes: > >> > >>> This sounds like an interesting project. My advice is to make a few > >>> screenshots that give people an idea what you are working towards. > >>> Of course, they could be completely fake, but it would be helpful to > >>> understand for people like me who haven't used Scrivener. > >> > >> I would also like to see this. It sounds nice when I read your > >> description, but I still don't fully appreciate the idea. > >> > >> =96Rasmus > >> > > I'm also very interested. I haven't used Scrivener -- what features do > you > > see as making org a *way* better writing environment? > > > > Cheers, > > Alan > > > > -- > > Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172385@iptel.org > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > Sorry, I sent that last email off too quickly as I was realizing that > I actually had /work/ to do while I was at work... > > Scrivener is a really neat program, which is designed to help writers > organize and manage large writing problems while staying focused on > the actual task of writing. Like org-mode, it has pretty powerful > tools for manipulating the structure of a text; in general it is (from > what I can tell) way less powerful than org-mode (what isn't?) but for > a writer that may sometimes be an advantage -- it removes > distractions. > > From what I can tell (and I am not a very experienced user) one of the > main attractions of Scrivener is the metaphors it uses to organize > your work. Each project is called a 'Binder'; it's where you keep > your drafts, your notes, and any supporting materials for your > project. When you work on a project, you can "open up" your binder > and look at the materials on a 2-dimensional canvas to sort through > them. So, it's like taking your papers out of your binder and > spreading them out on your desk. > > Each element in a binder is also represented as an "index card". On > the front of hte index card is a title and a synopsis; on the back is > the actual text you've been writing. > > In combination, these two metaphors are a really helpful way of > thinking about your project, I think. > > In org-mode, it would be very difficult to replicate the > almost-tactile feel of dragging index cards around a canvas to > organize them. (the .org file structure is actually probably really > well-suited to this, but one would need to write a whole other > program,I imagine in Javascript/HTML5, to implement the dragging). > However, some of the cool things about the Scrivener interface *can* > be implemented in org. > > Take a look at the attached screenshots. I admire the 3-column > layout, with an outline view in the left-hand column, metadata > displayed on the right-hand side, and a main panel in the center which > is used either to display index-card representations of the document > structure, or the actual text that one intends to edit. > > To start with I would like to just replicate this window structure, > because it keeps you focused on writing, while having the larger > structure available if you feel the need to flit around a bit. The > third screenshot shows a semi-fake, still very primitive version of > what I'd like to have. (I haven't figured out a good way to do the > metadata yet). > > Does this help clarify a bit? Anyone think it's interesting? > --005045016cf3e0065f04d029d4d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a now-seldom but was-daily user of Org-mode (work changed) who has long = been fascinated with Scrivener. =A0I think this project is a great idea. = =A0 And emacs/org seems a very fertile ground to=A0implement=A0it in. =A0
Scot

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012= at 7:21 AM, Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Ala= n L Tyree <alantyree@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/12/12 11:22, Rasmus wrote:
>>
>> Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.= com> writes:
>>
>>> This sounds like an interesting project. =A0My advice is to ma= ke a few
>>> screenshots that give people an idea what you are working towa= rds.
>>> Of course, they could be completely fake, but it would be help= ful to
>>> understand for people like me who haven't used Scrivener.<= br> >>
>> I would also like to see this. =A0It sounds nice when I read your<= br> >> description, but I still don't fully appreciate the idea.
>>
>> =96Rasmus
>>
> I'm also very interested. I haven't used Scrivener -- what fea= tures do you
> see as making org a *way* better writing environment?
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
> --
> Alan L Tyree =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~al= an
> Tel: =A004 2748 6206 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0sip:172385@iptel.org
>
>

Hi Everyone,

Sorry, I sent that last email off too quickly as I was realizing that
I actually had /work/ to do while I was at work...

Scrivener is a really neat program, which is designed to help writers
organize and manage large writing problems while staying focused on
the actual task of writing. =A0Like org-mode, it has pretty powerful
tools for manipulating the structure of a text; in general it is (from
what I can tell) way less powerful than org-mode (what isn't?) but for<= br> a writer that may sometimes be an advantage -- it removes
distractions.

>From what I can tell (and I am not a very experienced user) one of the
main attractions of Scrivener is the metaphors it uses to organize
your work. =A0Each project is called a 'Binder'; it's where you= keep
your drafts, your notes, and any supporting materials for your
project. =A0When you work on a project, you can "open up" your bi= nder
and look at the materials on a 2-dimensional canvas to sort through
them. =A0So, it's like taking your papers out of your binder and
spreading them out on your desk.

Each element in a binder is also represented as an "index card". = =A0On
the front of hte index card is a title and a synopsis; on the back is
the actual text you've been writing.

In combination, these two metaphors are a really helpful way of
thinking about your project, I think.

In org-mode, it would be very difficult to replicate the
almost-tactile feel of dragging index cards around a canvas to
organize them. =A0(the .org file structure is actually probably really
well-suited to this, but one would need to write a whole other
program,I imagine in Javascript/HTML5, to implement the dragging).
However, some of the cool things about the Scrivener interface *can*
be implemented in org.

Take a look at the attached screenshots. =A0I admire the 3-column
layout, with an outline view in the left-hand column, metadata
displayed on the right-hand side, and a main panel in the center which
is used either to display index-card representations of the document
structure, or the actual text that one intends to edit.

To start with I would like to just replicate this window structure,
because it keeps you focused on writing, while having the larger
structure available if you feel the need to flit around a bit. =A0The
third screenshot shows a semi-fake, still very primitive version of
what I'd like to have. =A0(I haven't figured out a good way to do t= he
metadata yet).

Does this help clarify a bit? =A0Anyone think it's interesting?

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