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To: TEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::e31; envelope-from=bdarcus@gmail.com; helo=mail-vs1-xe31.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Maxim Nikulin , org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=G+syTQBA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.71 X-TUID: K9TRs/LqSroa On a large monitor, there's so much space that I think the features content would best fit underneath a small banner. On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:12 PM TEC wrote: > > > Thanks for the feedback! > > Maxim Nikulin writes: > > > 03.08.2020 12:11, TEC wrote: > >> > >> To see how orgmode.org currently appears, see > >> https://i.imgur.com/XPFfBaB.png > > > > Sorry for negative (and maybe discouraging) feedback. I would > > not mind if you just skip my complains since I am not a > > contributor to org-mode. > > Please, share your thoughts! > > > Concerning the screenshot, when first impression, that > > everything is broken and do not worth reading at all, is over, > > in my opinion, the text makes much more sense than "innovative" > > marketing stuff got priority on the demo of the new design. I > > consider the list of tasks, that org mode could help with, is > > the most important thing to attract new users. It should just be > > properly formatted. > > Re content for the index page, my current thoughts are: > - Some sort of informative introductory paragraph > - List of most common applications of org - Note latest version, > and when it was released > > I also have a styled equivalent of the screenshot on the current > site. > > These things just need to move from my mind, to the page :) > > Do let me know if you have any other specific ideas on content for > the index. > > > It seems that new variant is too mobile-centric. On a 24in > > monitor I expect something more than just a banner. There is > > plenty of room for brief news related to new releases, for more > > details of most important features (on the other hand I am > > against arbitrary scaled screenshots with excessively huge > > characters in comparison to surrounded text), etc. I am aware > > that my taste is against of modern design trends. > > If you have specific suggestions on how I could smoothly work in a > better design for the index on the desktop, I'd love to hear them. > If you could pair any such suggestions with reference to my > earlier thoughts* on the purpose of each page that will make it > easier to glimpse your thought process, and how it compares to my > own. > > \* see email in reply to Colin sent on Mon 03 Aug 07:53 UTC > > > A couple of remarks unrelated to new look but should be > > addressed in the case of rework. > > > > I am surprised that Emacs is explicitly mentioned only in html > > head title. The relation should be clear for new visitors. > > That's: > a) been removed from the head title. I couldn't find a browser > which would > display the whole thing without chopping it off the last > ~third > b) going to be mentioned prominently in the body, at least in my > current thoughts > > > As to installation, I believe that org-mode bundled with Emacs > > is more than enough for first try. It is a shorter path to > > become familiar with most prominent features just to start > > editing of an .org file (or to download a prepared demo .org). > > Getting the latest stable version could be a next step for the > > hooked users. > > Are you saying that you find the current mention of Emacs in the > instillation page works well? I'm currently just linking to Emacs. > Looking at the page though, I think I should make a more prominent > action to download Emacs. > > I love the idea of a demo org file! If anyone would like to help > out with creating one by sending in contenders / snippets that > would be brilliant! > > Even better - having two or three different demo files based on the use case of > the new user - e.g. programmer, author, organisation - or something like that. >