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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622929599; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=3fJ+/+lieVut8gJcJzYmgxgUsh2l1oe6mtdupuZDl2A=; b=rFVBV9egmfZC7XyWeH1ccS5yWUsRVOV2+dvBpvk5z6hMV55WYf2iVMd3xtmBrNEXHLgcAv 3xy2D/CwslIvthwVpm7nAIO1izaYWvn1jTdj2sYE58ILfWbTSmEOqhNsTEvRy0ebYfL4U0 HUTEXHjpOBvyDEdxZUGDwK8ND9K+K+6aGOwsog2rCaEpqDPEkDadLUjvFQxWUTw6C0lvWa t7ys9hyRPuaR3giWHC0+u3TELRIi8NohyT5LAxeZMPtuQS29iGkSJUjCmGZy+D7EmBj7CK D2jU5xfnChyHfiAG9B2qPbtwZS9yPLXxI0rHsNa3wpMF4P5GwVG+tQBpcCLnMw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622929599; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ryqw7LWFBLpOgfZ+6+wO/3yfKRKMoruB4xKeRSqHcTLf7wWXmX7s7lFH8mXEqxLg3EjQop 8Fwk2CIt7dk6SLJZuox8hUHCgr53LI+N9evoS99Jn/4cBO6YBneKkHX+GcCbjk51Exqiff hW2G57eBDGlM9nohSWklOu4R/tg8PQJ4odMkR48nv+RzmschtoTtVcZcWtmBKCmMwy1xjq yixJxN3eapLjAa7PWU4POGlY1sBHux1e1Ztif4ZAIoDu/Cout8vyfKNQc/QAdxaGLSxyrA dTiugVekBwy0GnLLOLe6u2+oKVU1ptiUBWMv2eGBWI7Z6eTmKOLP+HW8YroJng== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=MW3hltgF; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=MW3hltgF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2775C2289A X-Spam-Score: -1.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: i9+qFH4qTf5o On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 5:35 PM Nicolas Goaziou wro= te: > Getting back to this thread=E2=80=A6 I'd like to see it moving forward. Yes. This is the last missing piece I see! > You lost me here. Punctuation moving was implemented with notes cites in > mind (much like Pandoc, I think). Correct. And also biblatex. > More exactly, punctuation shuffling > may happen whenever a cite turns into a footnote. For any other case, > the author is expected to place the cite object manually. So, the > automation does not apply to blockquotes, in the sense that inline > quotes or blockquotes use the same location for footnotes. I guess to bottomline it, see the link that Denis provided, including to the end with footnotes. https://writingcenter.uagc.edu/block-quotations I haven't tested the punctuation moving for this specifically, but it would suggest a user would place this in a blockquote: ... end of sentence. [cite:@doe] ... and the result should remove the space for a footnote. ... end of sentence.[1] I don't know how quotes work here, but perhaps there's no difference. Denis= ? Bruce