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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email , Nicolas Goaziou Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621435795; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=bh51WVCzzXf1bRPXA2CdjFdw+g/WTQfG/Gu2D+7wUJE=; b=lrVPlNj9bfMwhvNAcas8rR28QVzf3Bc5/JhpHZXw9iGtJJcDueDvKx1owcXJ2GbW7UICY+ U92YXZk6H8wa9g15oLGWvjcC6er84nEKhG7PhFrG95RogSRHXpUQ4UIuhaLYjaWRlLOmqH 1ykmJW6TwXgGG8j4ng4JqJoXMYntrm+vylLq/y7aXsuLjj3zbfo7PEaYtees8sFlxQAo2H AFJpE/55/i+xM7RFEHW2ZE3OdklfeN9SFutUlabRIJ22Qt5SnvTHHRB5z9zpXr42YsOauU A1C9xA4Ae7Rj0aZmKQaqmvpzUd0DU6bGpTSNh+q5zkQ2Kkv9M6LAhIAhjRb6wA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621435795; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=n7KGOzxd9E4m6+DUJc5iiCj0VqJLWYTVEeztwo8Lt4pl4SbY3CfrYeSb92eRvrDYU3cQPh ucSZFXkKROW944BPqTYwVmTX+Z2X++2xik53o868ZiX9B47NF1Gn43s0sw2vQHE8zmiauX yg6AfgSU3lzs6jojd+NtUexgBwn1HH/ntSzzpyQ8N1K95PYTZH+ilrb+L1EjGyhFKrymsH X2/VKPlXvEnKkr65431lis6B/hiajSZ6aKApOIiyn9XYRHy1y7Y3t5sM3KjLByXrW0NKyc NizgpEPPpFbCcTAnW1HNj6N086pyy0K7uWBKYUxUij5YiUNbYpwJ+amDRNOtiQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="u51/wm56"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.14 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="u51/wm56"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8B37695CF X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: s4C9tW9g5pDp On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:31 AM Denis Maier wrote: > In that case, I'd think that note/bare => footcitecite isn't a > particular good fit. Footcitetext puts the citation in a footnote, just > that it doesn't print a footnote mark in a running text. And, just as a general rule, not all sub-styles are relevant for all styles. > > One problem is there is no "\cite", or "\parencite". I though they would > > make a good fit for the default style, "\cite" being the "bare" variant > > of "\parencite", and "\autocite" could be moved to a "auto" style. I'm > > not sure where to put \cite, then. > > Why not just add a cite/parens style? Probably makes sense. > \cite could be [cite/bare: ...] > > Regarding \autocite being the default: > I think one strong argument in favor of this is that people may want to > switch between different citation export processors. So if you typeset > your article with latex you may want to use biblatex. But if the journal > accepts submissions only as docx files you'll have to switch to a > CSL-based citeproc. Yes, this is the use case I was thinking of when suggesting a lot of this. In fact, it's an approach I'm likely to use myself! > Here, the default is to wrap the citation either in > a footnote or in parentheses, depending on the style. > So, to ensure portability of documents across export systems [cite: > @doe] should give similar results with different systems, and I think > \autocite would be the best choice. (By the way, it's also the way > pandoc implements this.) Bruce