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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622063560; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=KTStqSfZ4LMfsB8AidijohPnrV+kovUUUBiR21LaS5M=; b=O2P2/nNZd8eOsQrO4/dZW/cjyZzx/4bH3sgxH9BlqP8HCWf9JCaHIVbiOJrxWeysUgaEln noDGLNryHkwE4yull86f5HMsVVZ4zP49Kn6IXLaiKF/hc5AAaLTh4YYbHV64PqaruwJ1Bk AdS121P+Se7edKbVIWJScCVZ+pY9v4uSFRu06loXbdMAW9SjLbQ5IVVR9M8vi+M3qax8HD NAiEh7BH8fs6u60VFgNgpMx3hqGqXvVjkB2azEKwK57VhHeQUY1wgRh7WdrYWpsh84fkNk i46U5GgIRIviM5CiLX8fy2TRmyw8dexosyLfEmPpocgUWOk4iAkw0vIy0txtGg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622063560; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ox627tHfYTF4y7mClBsTgWDG66TtgMZxmGnFR+NRSVFwTtCCds6Fbs11tyUL2CufvIJnzW 78s0lPapPUUpnTKRMrYYi071y//yQaPu6LhjSUrt6CfWja62cSwOVOd3R+jYBXWB+mifQR chjjxoELkpwDfOQ8qY7pN/jUIhP1HDr8b4BByYSimXQfBKuI4egXlrxnLNEyDtu1veO7Xy yHOAA/3WE4MQY08wlgoXzcfVeyHmW2KmJoB4IV2cZ2Oa4XmZmsDwjOvYydxHaMVU4ikY4m OnlGRVHUOw3Ll2L8FzjRZ1tN5GpmeIEiQ2d5oo4L1FnZGFVcJDa7k6x/t27qQw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=heY9JRtr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=heY9JRtr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 774CC14F21 X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: JShYa5MXvOeA Hi Nicolas, I'll take a close look at this and test it over the coming days, but in the meantime, on two more general points: On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:39 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: First, names: > I called it `csl' instead of `citeproc'. It is a bit ambiguous, but it > is shorter, and "org-cite-csl" prefix sounds less redudant than > "org-cite-citeproc...". But I know this is a weak argument, so if you think "citeproc" > is still more appropriate, I can revisit this. >From my perspective, that's totally fine, and arguably better: csl export processor for citeproc library. The citeproc name is just a convention for the processors that's developed over time I think mostly because people couldn't be bothered to come up with better names. I actually wrote the very first one, in XSLT, called citeproc-xsl. I think CSL would be more widely known among users though. And this processor doesn't actually do the formatting, so it makes sense. Second, this: > Also, I don't expect a different CSL-based citation processor any time soon, so it should be fine. Well, I'll ask you the same question I asked Andras recently: What if a developer has the idea to hook up one of the new, very fast, csl libraries: either the haskell version associated with pandoc, or the rust-based version associated with Zotero? Possible reasons they might want to do that: performance and/or compliance/features. Could you make sure this module is coded in such a way that it should be relatively straightforward to do that? Bruce