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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email , Timothy Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1625743006; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=uXBlFd9g5/LXUXmG0w7IArnUu6Y6tg6C6nT3S2UNgIs=; b=M20joj9wwE7zLEvuzQJ1BbXDucCzdnJ73UjiDP7IHTyG2wLcy41FgDxtWBgBtPp3WmlHs+ XWT0UoukuCeNcQD6TPNT4sb9+iMvAUvoCU2ZfZZxsQKEFqCv524SSBoMA8BL8wrZ53mFrE 0VHlMZAjlzVyBmsvyDwH6Xy33PqPZFw8eRZYQUN7/QXsT8Fle23jPuT92JDI12O8/pMQbi 0l1jWh1OkGYpBBG+8wzZOObCSk+5owJit3J0RkNTQUWIGNuhhe4OrTAsiU0BunwFAMvCCS hXCz3vHIWITLfdcsMCkdIWyUOpvSD4K0ToEfF7tUqSrfRGwGNA0ibPCBSXy+Yg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1625743006; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qw7oFNe6lIxIchxNl/eFFZy1+BHWTqUN1QcNtc8GWW73Mu2vwdNE4NssR3HjrHFGr2kZ/O YupS96AswEh09hzQGWX1MoOfJfc5/HxTMCsTMUUjG1eh32LCiuxdhcxxSuPwUnIG0shpqN FnIl16itWNMtpTI7zjf3kAxw1B8ZZ0z+Sy0+e8vViYpFC3nO1LMQPcnBffHa2mAZBXNR4L /N0yk6aV8vup7fspIrTd85siIe4BxgndLVdQN6jaGqi40veu0AJgrpTyjVtIQzIrxqZqBg QYYYqygb6bniYznrAbfStSlXy7uxFZwmnsd5OzaSkt5ts4jjx0KXQJyPwc0eyA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="e+DZ4S6/"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.31 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="e+DZ4S6/"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1A21D820E X-Spam-Score: -0.31 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: DS4RL+KnmDf9 On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 6:26 AM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > Timothy writes: > > > Bruce D'Arcus writes: > > > >>> wip-cite-new deals with citing from bibliographies, but I don't think it > >>> deals with within-document referencing --- should it? > > > >> 1. Should it? > >> 1. Maybe. > > > > I feel like it would fit. With everything that's been done for > > citations, this feels like it may be a rather minor addition (or at > > least this is what I hope). > > > >> 2. Can it? Could the design be extended to include internal referencing? > >> 2. I think so. You'd just need a way to include internal targets in > >> addition to the citation-references (keys); for illustration, > >> something like [cite:#some-if]. > > > > I can't claim to have thought about this that much either, but something > > like [cite:#some-fig] would seem to fit. > > > >> 3. If yes to both, should that hold back merger now? > >> 3. No. > > > > I don't think this should hold up the merge either, but it's relevant in > > the overall nature of the feature and perhaps could be shoehorned in > > following the merge? I feel like this is one small quite simple case and > > most of the thinking required has already been done. I'm not sure > > though, I'd go with whatever Nic's thought are on this. > > At this point, I don't have enough understanding of the problem to have > an opinion. IIUC, your example does not even mention citations. How > should it be used, what should be the output in LaTeX, and in UTF-8 > export? This is not clear to me. > > What can I say however is: if this feature implies to change, or extend, > syntax, then it is /de facto/ a blocker for the merge, and needs to be > sorted out. As I was hinting, I don't know this area well either. I think the first question is the "should" one; whether this is in-scope of this module. I wasn't sure, so said "maybe". Joost says "no." In latex, such internal references are not citations though; they use a different mechanism. Does that not suggest, Timothy, that this might be out-of-scope for this module; that Joost is right? Bruce