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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email , =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A1s_Simonyi?= , Nicolas Goaziou , John Kitchin Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619093372; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=UUaA/9PDXgpPKuCSJvtKGSZnf4HbUuy9jO0/W9jfqT0=; b=SHAXcrhzfftVGmhx6BaN2KgQybaEKc2RYozfDSiS87tC5UbLPs+fFObqjrDaV6IlZESV9+ TfGgsJwaWx3s7Il/+dBpzgIgZwrOw0UHc60wLBq6XZmzlVrpHB0yp7dOdYcFxxhecF0NYs 1gvzDwv5i9YoALalDerTKHA0di8tUnwzRPsaXHXPRdfmYGI1oirabiBET+Pzj1UxW5+4qJ 5o+XaPRGbl83nC0dP2JniubSYgvHesTI0lSKmSiFnMy+oRc27vRCwO0TPrsr++Uwd2ynDc XBbpw4pDDbDvHtpZpuSW9Nzf5yWN7Uba2Pr6Bobo2qkpnrBTAqJu+xbwBfDeLQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619093372; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EpaXS2v6AtHjcJ9np++DdYmUrdVnkqRDBp8XHfTmv16U1mp7E6UiWKo3VmPTzZPAwOWHp9 g66Ipu/lzC+DWC4kRsBbhXlem0kIyQddAr9B1z/NIX8cet7bMIw/yoKNH6wc6qqF/FB0Jo yaoon1UE9aQL1qroxBjciMQr4JRGE2yAofwPiP3w0sCTXtgZz/Oom//bsAbCjD/h0sfk6L WDIj5AiXsjYUY8ZcrCOriLgWr842TBRsZBCcFfpwDkn3ZhfIC3scMAf5UzGxVVTh6fHCoc 1BRsIjwHMoJLuJHX99TFGuJ05pcMFDrJGIP86VuZhpt/632w0Qwupwhg7nLc4Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=oxQc1NU+; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.47 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=oxQc1NU+; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2535C1690A X-Spam-Score: -0.47 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: fMacPFcm5VTG On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 10:47 PM Timothy wrote: > I think what would be ideal, would be if common citation styles could > define a method which produces a display string, like "Goaziou et al. > (2021)". If nothing is defined, then no overlay should be produced. Make sense, but with a caveat: not all styles work well for preview. Might be worth looking at how the Zettle markdown editor implements citations in general, as it's well-done, well-documented, and gone through a few iterations. It uses pandoc for the citations syntax and processing. https://docs.zettlr.com/en/academic/citations/ If point is within the citation brackets, you see the raw syntax, so you can edit it. Once you are outside the brackets, having already inserted the citation, you see a preview of the output. Examples; the top raw, bottom previewed version of the same. [@doe19] (Doe, 2019) Aside: this is somewhat similar to Nicolas' demo. That preview is always the same author-date style, regardless of the output style selected. So if you choose a footnote-based style for export, you still see the author-date preview. This makes sense, because the purpose is only to confirm you have the right citation. You also have a "references" sidebar that shows you a previewed list of all cited references. Bruce