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On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:36 AM Leszek Wro=C5=84ski wro= te: > I've been using Emacs for about 20 years, but I'm only now starting to > seriously explore the Org-mode, since I read about the new citation > options. I'd like to report my initial experience since maybe this > could lead to some amendments to the manual? Your suggestions make a lot of sense. > Another thing: the way the citations work is inconsistent for me at > this point. In some cases, a click on a citation opens my library.bib > at the relevant entry. In other cases, nothing happens (i.e. nothing > that I can see.) On what could this depend? I don't know. Is the key by chance wrong? > Ideally I'd like a click on a citation to open the PDF whose location > is stored in the 'file' field of the .bib entry: is there an easy way > to achieve this? [I've tried various ways of doing this in the last > 10+ years, including org-ref, RefTex etc., but am I correct in > assuming that currently the idea is that one should only use the > Org-mode for such things?] As for the "follow" functionality you're asking about, this is mostly what third party processors are for; "oc-basic" is intentionally "basic". This landscape is still new, but my oc-bibtex-actions one allows you, for example, to use embark to run different actions from an org-cite citation. By default it will open associated documents or links. https://github.com/bdarcus/bibtex-actions John Kitchin's org-ref-cite does similar with a hydra menu, though I'm unsure of his plans for the package. https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref-cite Bruce