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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621523770; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=JbbpbXIJTSK4mMw1weA5at7CQnJUuJn8lAsciXDN2X0=; b=XM5Up15FyB89Y+tTms88lUNDEbWokk5uS1Gue8kUvUqsJZfMZDD/axVcuh3VFqqVtIpmUK 6RdbfBBEDaHzKH4mtYMA+oH6yVMcUBdicc7nP2bGvZkxioY5YLdNNKnNdyJ+6VH69E7c63 H/X9x93w0C8Eu3FybVCHadX5XAIg21pMjtU34Pf5eJp2bPO6dGt9sz5Py84vHtmoREQn0U 0kSQbi+o/HVzCyn+hf89L4PumzGV8E3svUY0cHRyyNhRnPj8zjHoAziZ6MVI9QH8azBLEP JvWWJae7jNt5cNWGbx/JVtIXjlCw0c+uYR8+lgQ5Afgp8Y9qPjhLL8/8NxJjLA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621523770; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Y0o0cVv8Guo5wPGoeTSeBFgOaS5Vu/s8YhxqsmyM2m3Lelslvk2bU6isNB0aEUerSVFkst agA+PsJ65iakzxptsIODt8PK8GJtjulmWOie9HX2WGrKtxfhrQuDgigg4D4ocPBRSTD85x 9uPP5afqI9Hy7WyCoTdc/y13mVEVqVqk1RlHwsttQpgznw/c7u0u4LpHpGWHCsd+OddFnf bwk991ArYjGrE5SEcoOcNB+E0144DQwMBGHU7Haz5iyQzJkN9UpzKNHRqCtRuA3/d7vUha kwpWPutCo57or00YOLNhuCKKTaO0q7aGT5UAvRDJ1Z4YE7E/A8T3g82ti9wYAQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=alvCGq5O; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.14 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=alvCGq5O; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9F27A1D83D X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: +/sFvQP2oOR2 On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:29 AM Denis Maier wrote: > > Am 20.05.2021 um 16:11 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: ... > > 1. I wasn't sure Nicolas was aware of this config option, nor how one > > would configure it currently (but it seems necessary in general) > > No, it's only necessary to configure this if you don't want the defaults. > > In authoryear styles you have autocite=inline by default > In authortitle styles you have autocite=inline by default > In verbose styles you have autocite=footnote by default > > So, if you use an authoryear/authortitle style, but want > autocite=footnote you'll have to declare this as a package option. Oh good! > > 2. If you set default to autocite=inline, which is to say the > > non-bare/plain style, the issue you note goes away? > > > > Not sure. Autocite* => parencite*, but there's still no cite/bare* then. Just to clarify: There's no autocite command variant that produces the bare output? But there are other more output-specific commands that do? >From your followup to this: > Another thought here: > Yes, it could be [cite/parens/bare:...] but also [cite/note/bare:...]. Why is that necessary? If I interpreted the above correctly, is not the limitation in biblatex autocite? E.g. Nicolas could map "cite/bare" to whatever paren or note biblatex variant, depending on the citation style? > @Bruce: We don't have bare citation in CSL currently, right? Perhaps we > should add this to add some portability... No, just as we don't have (yet) in-text, but processors have implemented it. That's why I recommend on that table that citeproc-org/el supports it; it's easy enough to add. Bruce