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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email , John Kitchin Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1650277703; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=hyUdXwTnPLPcwb2SJM3Q04KirMqZFsNfoIDuEpwV4+A=; b=TkfRGJJl9S4s5bGb8qtrU5D5gJQOq7gLiYWlaUzvHKVebe4n/dLany/lb8QH6HcIrWwIjV pcg1FVWlrnGzh/dCLeQVCuGjJo6g9G5TNS1oT7sTJgTeAGePNwjWMdZ1lPQnvxL1Gt71xD g4OQt26rGuswH134FjJd8Fn3GsnWizUVD2ODo0r9nt4OoLrGe3bJOVTVDZqgDh/FxbOCZ2 myFx0CeULw9Cdvh4qBDx0i6eNFAeBnJjBU3gsIXV/6w+hrqolB7Y/4aXrkYTdStLJZEl4a VCp2/NrodQ8AlvBtFOyYvVg5RZ0el4XxtYtvNN8Zmf3EFyTFYSI/o1zNfPIGkg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1650277703; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=gDEK7ewSG3KAdK0+05oxMRRU5hXm2VFwWcYZmphRCO0HLXQDIayG+t1CoiYUlOyfW8aJQ0 ME1lqy8ESIy8WSf8BbjnCVJP/eA7Qk7l1Dw1ZYjmrslXK+dMNQG1BMb2nCr8B2WQGsaIjv hVVdC8ZxEraOy2pHnj5qUxhkZbT0cGOT9/46BDZmh6P8lcBiDd2vG8kGw25y+GiTeGY3Ox mcDwwjMVT9PHIFhYypaPvWSYiMlqkKXfMM6aAwfV3tUsOparTa+VFIgo4RVkjv+mtUEsGP XY5U/rHlHDksVgeH61IKHk5GSNG8BghaUokWEVJYQd50DYW21fuhZBff+rKGLg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="EE/EPfse"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 6.16 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="EE/EPfse"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C1C733C309 X-Spam-Score: 6.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: XBgGWHoUHzWH --000000000000bc648e05dceb2e14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:08 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > John Kitchin writes: > > >> In contrast, [cite/citet*:@key] is likely to be used fairly frequently > >> and has much higher chance to break things. > > > > > > We have had a citet*:key link (and all the other * variants) for a long > > time in org-ref, with no reported issues I can recall. > > I respect your experience in this regard. If the discussed issue is > uncommon in practice, we may simply provide citet* and similar styles + > fallback citet*/ as an alias. The citet* will be the default while > citet*/ may be suggested, say, by org-lint if we add a new checker for > this. > Just to clarify, I don't believe the discussion is to add such styles to the included org-cite processors (which already support such functionality), but rather to allow it, for example for third party ones; say a hypothetical org-ref one. Bruce > P.S. Thinking more about org-lint, I imagine that it could be a good > practice to run org-lint before every export. For example, it can save > people from a common problem with handling broken links during export. > > Best, > Ihor > --000000000000bc648e05dceb2e14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:08 AM Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.e= du> writes:

>> In contrast, [cite/citet*:@key] is likely to be used fairly freque= ntly
>> and has much higher chance to break things.
>
>
> We have had a citet*:key link (and all the other * variants) for a lon= g
> time in org-ref, with no reported issues I can recall.

I respect your experience in this regard. If the discussed issue is
uncommon in practice, we may simply provide citet* and similar styles +
fallback citet*/ as an alias. The citet* will be the default while
citet*/ may be suggested, say, by org-lint if we add a new checker for
this.

Just to clarify, I don't believe the discussion is to add such sty= les to the included org-cite processors (which already support such functio= nality), but rather to allow it, for example for third party ones; say a hy= pothetical org-ref one.

= Bruce



P.S. Thinking more about org-lint, I imagine that it could be a good
practice to run org-lint before every export. For example, it can save
people from a common problem with handling broken links during export.

Best,
Ihor
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