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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621519938; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=7HcR2dJQF+Y0DPZfdNNG0T6iiVxRGRpDSHBUstous+8=; b=tsDuOvmZD8IlQcdhCIHTzfArjbcgtRFHptTZzhmL4mzYEu88w/ZbnvUyehQ84RnSQQFsm9 lxy0MM/pAdR88ZKDQ5BSdnLXVoxO3/PgjjqeryZUHfqylJJ+tz0RLygtp0ONyywp2clH+y qOp86jsLWc59lqoS/k4vHNX92Vu9sYYNsR/gCmNW51qgDx6tzK8RSik+u66co2py5oaoZE zlQd/9xxocmk8e6bm9REbEpMSw/Xtql+TsLKCUysFAKdauXPJSf58tQz83d0GTtMSjnaKY 1RZy0knqbbegyvOFEoAN3qlMW8PzuJ1cbGlUE4oyWQcIRbuJak3CnGAmoGW5SA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621519938; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QAJXXUp7HBpl2JwFXpm7d9gXx8U1iYuhtU/dpt1Wq2dy1XLwtDDghPdPAFeODwE/YdOJ5W gKKWNCB8r48VbK8FQ+7IhNsUik1+HWUCFiil3nK7PC5KZBpMfqBG+Mo1NM1ns34BSABx2L bon/rcoQUUjwk/l8NKunjk96hs4NU9xhwIFqI7Hwue8bHuczPFERvE3xrktHQC3Jp6+0W5 ZpO9IBYOaZbvPU9D8z6BvqGkE7ITJ8kg13Ppy86GRAJbPRZlm2T16EHSMTu6pxixDorY2l 3EPOuYHOdGo2VJRtFMzbXqDIuZwYhPerpW5sztZMBAh6WFKYuhnFGXZLTrIhRA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="vQ/cnX8Y"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.14 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="vQ/cnX8Y"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 524FE1C469 X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: M+AkYyoFFP/L On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:57 AM Denis Maier wrote: > >> I'm not really sure we need bare substyles at all. At least in biblatex > >> it's the basis for the other commands. > > > > Though see my followup message on autocite config. > > > > Does that change this discussion? > > Why? I put it in the form of a question, because I'm not sure, but ... 1. I wasn't sure Nicolas was aware of this config option, nor how one would configure it currently (but it seems necessary in general) 2. If you set default to autocite=inline, which is to say the non-bare/plain style, the issue you note goes away? > cite/year => \citeyear won't work as this will just print the year > without wrapping it in parentheses. It also won't trigger the ibid. in > the next citation. > cite/bare = \cite would also work in that particular citation, but an > author might remove the preceding sentence, which will make the ibid. > disappear. You will then have a regular bare citation (= "Doe 2020", or > "Doe, Title") instead of just the year or the title in parentheses. OK, this is one of those nuances; I need to think on this one. Bruce