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On Wed, May 5, 2021, 10:53 AM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Also it introduces ambiguities in style inheritance. > For example, if I add > > #+cite_export: natbib plainnat text > > would > > [cite//alt/caps:...] > > mean > > [cite/text/alt/caps:...] (i.e., \Citealt{...}) > > or really > > [cite//alt/caps:] (i.e., \Citealp{...}) > > ? I added the following to the wiki page, which I think addresses this: Note that `text/alt` would not make sense, as the sub-style in this case would override the style. Bruce --00000000000091fb0d05c1a55eb6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To come back to this ....

On Wed, May 5, 2021, 10:53 AM= Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolas= goaziou.fr> wrote:

=
Also it introduces ambiguities in style inheritance.
For example, if I add

=C2=A0 #+cite_export: natbib plainnat text

would

=C2=A0 [cite//alt/caps:...]

mean

=C2=A0 [cite/text/alt/caps:...]=C2=A0 =C2=A0(i.e., \Citealt{...})

or really

=C2=A0 [cite//alt/caps:]=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (i.e., \Citealp{= ...})

?

I a= dded the following to the wiki page, which I think addresses this:

Note that `text/alt` would not m= ake sense, as the sub-style in this case would override the style.

Bruce
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