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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620149359; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=1n3yjk4WA91sCqPnCBATvxMIssGiqIuN/UGC3g82yTs=; b=HfFEbKeenf4ulW9CQrHlGoVlu5FDTbus/EYbWsUH5kMXch2Tx45Nsw8LmU/p35nkA4VCl8 QYF8XpGMOICmLqKdAUXKU1CY0BSKbEBzFhUhKxefonyAfnW5YvHFUiyJ8Wdob1pYH0xp1f 6aRqBsX1QchC5RPjqPk0zPntRTPnM7er8SKFLJsZWc+F5Mv7N0PfT7Fd0oh24EJ2ax/E/u JAZcTq/zAqFD3GWIPESGZT4HRlpjogd9sWwwsQEKt+b7en8PyOoCokdWuxcp8ezqAyvUr/ WidrW/GZf6U6ZguXTkSNy8WcM/DB73AQt8vp5six3FbIOtdnyrxAeRlqjifRWQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620149359; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=on4RMGKR4Yb/oLmuHg5UW0/UcuExGvzg6rNd/fJY9y/UH/g7QXhVmLkKwxm584c9863HI+ 4SSZM22XvkeHKPnux6QHMRLGNQPeVV6kkBtGZfdk5BUScAFCNeJgMPpmK4/2/UsuBnft6t p5BndeiywG7gqdtPwOwZtFzxoJnUFyGQwDAfKm2PtNfgJ0MPNlIDFJm/YSjW6yyQxPvp7u /b0bXAY+F9xexKTN4R5t+LPPhpmCdgvqseN3cRxDnHr0FgMZVSowLmbaxTF6AMNXhc5q5Z esj4+6E0xLQerb93eMrTFoNlTNd0BfG2Z76PLXZSs2wPGDTsyC2gujck0ze5Bw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=GAps8gXK; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.16 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=GAps8gXK; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D2FC818223 X-Spam-Score: -3.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: h+XvATafLe6P On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:59 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: ... > > I guess the question at this stage is how to iterate this. > > > > I already added a change or two based on feedback from Joost, and it > > does make sense to add a new column for latex. > > > > It seems easier to me to do it on the wiki, rather than post a new > > version to the list every time, in part because it allows others to > > edit it. > > > > Any thoughts Nicolas? > > Is the default \cite{key} command (without any other package) used? I'm > not sure we should provide it since we are working towards more complete > solutions. Not ATM. The table only has suggested mappings for natbib, biblatex, and citeproc-el/org, though Eric was wondering about adding also one for standard latex. > I'd like to give a shot at "oc-natbib.el" in a few hours. It may give an > incentive to start out "oc-biblatex.el" (which is a bit harder). > > AFAIU, the idea is to use styles from you wiki. However, sub-styles are > not mentioned. I just have the note they are a good idea, but wasn't sure on details. > They could be "full" for the starred variants, "caps" for > the capitalized ones, and "alt" for those without parenthesis, so one > could write: > > [cite/text/alt/full/caps:...] (in any order) > > and obtain > > \Citealt*{...} I'll add them to the wiki page. It did occur to me that ideally users could customize what the default command is. My choices for natbib and biblatex defaults are I think defensible, but some may disagree. Bruce