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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619437030; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=WzWW2ZMWtSI4AgoEENfvruOL1weI1JtvQBL47Ovc8T0=; b=qaxQ3i0ipQznYe4r7Uby4F5jDenyF9b7Lr7KPY6bAxekLyOQyLayRv4NLLi7Sosz1lFi3e DWB2ZWjP5+36gSJ+Y3mKZwC4SAB3Tw7XkGLxuy+yPcyLG09DA6HtP2kzPIcG2peDe1oKhR ID3y3bJPLyTlWwud3TLWGAQBANy6XNMPSQiLR+Dp4w9mtY3uAVUIr4p/dk8JXjATkGNJMk sMiYapzb4kuCyxCwZXVc6+c0wXB/7vM+kbKHxjrU1W+vOVsd+c+bYi9I/INR6CkGVN3fLd eAPuzGDSV/xXCW7faJTmZ5P9DzsFy+BuvTVf4DeK2PrFklIIP0u5untIoxCBug== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619437030; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ecerjYY4VgEfYb4kO52CFkTftJIcWoojwnwyIGts4SYYIxNDlXo2jNQT/TKKBSEd3O9zth gsh51HpdAAT7MaQEKOxK2AG4/C961LGpjQ95qmGSPMjAxzHZbKBvJVZJHAUBK0V1Ei6jZt Z31xlmjS6cus5Uk0asm7m9B94bRap2PcDbBRwoPzkfqzY9vXLNAQO58Rs4A+heyewCpg4C 2QqobHxTSPYHV+2y+wy6X+Bk+zJv3m1TxmMfsRRzIt7KgqT5LRiYUIHsmtJr1fHJGOPxAT 7+VMKo9iunVMwpslSNcakxdXv70UdTbOTALQfh9v5GzLv/si+2/HzXs5fzPwMQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=joSL1EWS; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.15 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=joSL1EWS; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E4E6313FE1 X-Spam-Score: -3.15 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: /4u4wZqWDqy0 On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:56 AM Joost Kremers wrote: ... > IOW it seems that in biblatex, suppress-author (obtained by the asterisk > following the command) is a property of the citation command, even if it > includes multiple citations. OTOH there are real cases (I have written > references such as the example here myself) where you want it to be a property > of the individual citation. It would help at this point if you could show an example, as I can't think of one that can't be addressed. As I replied to Richard, a citation with references to different authors can already be addressed. > The thing about biblatex is that it offers low-level commands that allow you to > create unusual citations (my default LaTeX header contains three definitions of > citation commands that biblatex doesn't provide but which I use quite a lot). So > I would argue that it's better to keep the syntax =-@key=, just to keep the > system flexible in case the need arises. Adding complexity for hypotheticals has costs though. We should be able to identify a concrete case here that won't work with the change I suggest, but that we agree should be supported. Bruce