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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1623536038; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=N3ZUI1U314WAXQQyHqajl+lTfeRsNnzMQVVxGUruk7M=; b=kzMJe7vyheUGu9pTKufavENB4P4mZjmpcCAAY8vdgeCaFUWsVQ7m6bmDpC/79YFa/xLHci /lesorw6O/dz1KUCsu4E/tAq5t0YLqsUVARkeURpceRVmi7FfP6v2GM1al8kWWCSoI/Vv6 2QgMpuN/HBK/npnp+3szN4qXvwYpOC/qFwBLR9UE891OLuOr8KrpZ31tomKqpYBJ9hHwxN vQKjWNnfaMjJlW95UYQFR10p7EapJ+jis0RCFwpmzgp73jh7lZKEf7W8AOdXtc4GvtcI7A MUtrfquwlKVchvAmGo6Ma6v1MzN5zZrcFuEebkKepVbn9pJIa8S01gaboqe2fA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1623536038; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Y26+6reRBIOOTPilvkcHg9vJjKKx3DBjEwH8PuW6PMyF3loUnPsezsaPIgBlGlXHLvkFUH t0675MhGZ6c6MUTR4yb6koLYmy7yWsdifdqvXaX+mRDtCo+muO2W+nHZw0TQwis0xtwVwK LUXk7xi9I7ELd5begnU+oM2pEr9dm82zS6dRXOtBoNtBXIyQxsyS85ZjczFXu975lKbEaH vrtmFkCj8BxMzlXZCeiX4CgTw+mjMHhHIRKTJMj7Y5mm/NQvgx964VtPefoUX0poniH5Ba wp8ZepjCojKIbqBqR+WJF9IEcTDmDJ0N3C8SwrqOYmc3DjyTP5nUSPAZSYLtDg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hWlXhjMO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hWlXhjMO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B886821E20 X-Spam-Score: -1.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: JzhvJMf6pDtG On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 6:04 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Of course, different punctuation marks exist, so characters are at least > locale-dependant. But I don't know if the set is entirely determined by > the locale or if it also depends on the "style" of the document. It's a good question. I need to think about this one. > > So the upshot is if users want this functionality for LaTeX/PDF, they > > should use oc-biblatex for that export target? > > Actually, that's the opposite. I don't know if it is possible, or even > appropriate, to port that feature to `biblatex' and `natbib' processors. > So, ATM, if you want it, and target LaTeX/PDF, your only option is > `csl'. OIC; I misread your post. To clarify (I realized after sending that message I should have done so), biblatex, at least, has this sort of punctuation moving included out-of-box. So there's indeed no need to include it in oc-biblatex. I thought you were saying you were not including such moving in oc-csl latex export, hence my question. So I think we're good on that then. Bruce