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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Emmanuel Charpentier , emacs-orgmode , John Kitchin Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1626789065; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=2bA5sKMR2J6psUxiMl8l33+4fCO+tjYtp1s0eksqx6E=; b=dB9eYLaRzN7W+oFLGUPcburIdsmJGGwy3xZedIgYCD/1ihCsgkc+0VbsW3E4o2disI8YFh ShI9IEzuyu4FWQ6jyY43jrn1PMFo/c6VVsaP4aWCMFphv/SgbbxKUX2qJTPKBAfac8ZtxM v6CHmMNyksI+rl/Cm2wSuv0cY4EBoMH7P4gS+5f2xyqnVVDv7PcO58Pq6tzJDfWegYA5C2 hi4fZ5QimYGd1FN0asuLBx5lrapwh1HPnbjFf7kvolOl4VlWdnwOxxNYX7Rj7R1O3IbSyp u2NMSLU9Ug25fRqkyu4Q0bgkgi3RicjJc5tGmgrqAOXInQKyKKqlYSZNWpNxmg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1626789065; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=dSqYU8Gis3O/HnG3Fx1rP4uqfhGnU61sp0Z4iqAqSOClRoCCXO4KunEcRQQaWCr8sz1nj0 hKVFLyWVairAfFd/ciLeQFUxI6jrvUsABvWgnJU7i2hQ4YwhX7NLnafmINAC0KHVf/I3XI 5e5V+AYh6OWecM16X8QQ0kV7WpaqJgy8d96IJKuLulse+otsl4p2Sme6JO5kjibjGLCZY4 lPiiGCUzW+pfDM1NF45vqhwF0ijffSD/C6EeJJN0br/Ct/kjZfgNGtcyRJIlMXeEI3CT1/ tBtjz6jzUgW4QNcjh5LtFCpA64MJhT2wbbFoYs31sereJWLc0xae1gWBk3Lc8w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="DbZ/9V4B"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.32 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="DbZ/9V4B"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C2B29C1FD X-Spam-Score: -0.32 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 9vKvtfdkOP0L On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 8:50 AM Denis Maier wrote: > > Certainly in the CSL world, this has never been supported, and I don't > > ever recall it ever coming up (though I'm sure someone on the Zotero > > forum raised it at some point) > > I'm pretty sure I've brought that up at some point :-) :-) > FWIW, Biblatex knows a similar command \mancite. > > Use cases: > Beyond personal communication, which I personally have never used, there > are disciplines (classics, theology, religious studies) that refer to > some classical works (Bible, Quran, etc.) with certain well-known > abbrevations. Usually those works don't appear in the bibliography. The cases here a little different though. This is basically work so well-known in a field that they are omitted from the bibliography. Effectively, the opposite of "nocite"; so "nobib"? The example of personal communications that John raised is a little different. I still think it's either a citation with a reference, or it's not; just an in-text note. > This leads to problems with automatic citations, especially when you also use > "ibid." and such... > > Bla [cite:@doe]. > Blabla (Gen 1). > Bla [cite:@doe]. > > => > Bla (Doe 2020). > Blabla (Gen 1). > Bla (ibid.). > > > With biblatex you can use \mancite to reset the citation trackers. Can one workaround this now? Or if not, by adding a "nobib" style per above at some point? Bruce