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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode mailing list , Nicolas Goaziou Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1647787151; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=1z8C/YRcoP98O3u2ZiVSSBQwPlRfpRwVGp3nxJybM3w=; b=mbBF4INbw4hnQ1/nrHEJ37GxsL7POiyhPDESAAy+ubKHE8GR0Keje81TTpuHup5Zl7gRmW Jpp0NZcjzqe4ir9fRMV9Bxl4h0aDh9mlD4NFZagfk9v9/mRFDycN7ltip9Ju6J8S8CvZeT KbL4McckNNT44nme5AIEGOPhw6qK03SyhhQRQdfu1tsma3ZrQnPKDHCw1FTN5UU5xMN4bK 4cPlqQi0XY3Nx8HiyRn8dzROhD/8Pj257nEo/woYQZeuliB/5Oepr+RfWHrMtkzx+dna/x o3MEugGerSryFkuJkIJkjnyZUVzBIbmNHTjSF7GE+CHuTxr5wznx1kWOEuGRSw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1647787151; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Rhpnc6XfgKULq5j+FWrVDFWS2vrBqiWNZ0O7P4GzQXpJHAa5TQ1rhNusB8ncd0CWXM83HB 7gHm5WNgQ7rZ+TJCIdLGUwywjjJT3t5SsZrBjmORNFFxaI+TINuDuL2z5U7twxiK+9xeht eiMFhcCvc4WDcWij6wvsAbbUch2+Qido7/tuGwDbytQCprsL+iqzZ8o+rZBxP3cE81Yarc lG++FvHfNauX78TXZyNEGcTSiZi6Degyz8v5qMABaQFKQvwTyndEuGJzauV+G1BhRN6iUU +9IcpfxLc+PSV4CRAJtbL/VTfqQDA+RD/jY92Ve4v0J9b21iJfzsi0eqCIW14w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=VUJxXLwd; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 6.07 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=VUJxXLwd; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4534B2BFF1 X-Spam-Score: 6.07 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Z9MmR51SiCDA On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:08 AM Vikas Rawal wrote: >> >> > What is the general view of the community about this? >> >> I don't know about the general view of the community, but, as a data >> point, I find it very sad. > > > Exactly how I feel. Particularly so because org-cite was indeed inspired = from org-ref and all the great work John has done on this over the years. I= do not see any substantive discussion of the limitations that John has poi= nted out with org-cite in the archives of the mailing list. We should have = a conversation about those. > > If I understand correctly, the main limitation according to him is that o= rg-cite does not handle cross-references. Is that the only problem? What do= others think about it? Do we want the citation system to be able to handle= cross-references? If not, do we need a separate system that handles cross-= references beyond what is available in org-mode already? Can that system no= t be created in a manner that would not break the org-cite syntax? > > I think we should have a conversation and collectively think of what is t= he best way forward. Yes, and no. Conversation on org-cite took place on this list for years, with diverse people, with diverse expertise and POV, cycling in and out over that time. John raised the cross-reference question towards the very end, during the testing period, when it was almost merged. https://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg138349.html I still think the path forward on that is TBD, though as I said, I don't think it should be in scope for org-cite per se, but org more generally yes. If he has some other issues (which I suspect he does; maybe related to fontification?) that might be addressed, I'm sure he'll raise them. Bruce