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If you feel that this communication must be referred to, you >> should give it some (written) support and (properly) reference this >> support. > > > Who is to say why someone would bother. It is a command on page two of > http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf that one can use. > > It is also possible to use \nocite{*} as a cite, which includes all > references from a bibliography, and yet contains no key. Even funnier in a way is \nocite{key} which just adds entries to the bibliography, but does not cite them in the body of a document. > > Footnotes are not always allowed in publications, and for various reasons not worth defending, in proposals one might want to put this in the references because of space limitations. If not a footnote, a parenthetical note? What's the value of a citation and bibliography processor handling formatting here? Certainly in the CSL world, this has never been supported, and I don't ever recall it ever coming up (though I'm sure someone on the Zotero forum raised it at some point). I will point out the syntax discussion long predates my participation in the last year or so. Perhaps it was raised at some point in the past and rejected? If not raised, it's not surprising it's not supported now. Bruce