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To: "Bruce D'Arcus" , org-mode-email Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000035415805c369e4c4" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::433; envelope-from=bdarcus@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x433.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622234487; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=rz4Z+CPyXYbmnNWJRdH4C2daTV3lBRS4TqM46UhQAQM=; b=XlbqeM+bG5TN90ZKy/bYsHChC8w65zLgZoHUVy1oPQEztmOjZEFK6aZDbCb01ttUOcUjq5 +2kt2LmPR4fXpXSsnF4iyvlIYV/C8aHgDd5WUUhFsMnJhSW9ssV6PCDFj+rz/5/5d2vwX2 Kzmn54rFMkaj2A2iIu0vfMwPHA3xEmmgnP6887jX/JNJfd3ttPC2r+eGg2PW3wF3haCBFW XY19syopy9g/kSxH+Ca009oBkoxANienDgHrTmBH2ck0npQyJwYR4oBbnQpYZ73P5wD4i0 CXQIW360mydeikAT4pBCAHDVJiC5YrNIktcVQLFHCzqm7i/ELwFNFmUwf5BpJQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622234487; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=dIDKNZHi7n1fXecuncQgnBIuVXtkAnX/hSYHZO9gaZKo/hgct+taNfxqv0CzG2GE3SmwTt rbhFEiY8Qen6MDdwYPOJsKwAo4w9fXApZIcVxl6lxGzL3x7UM/n2BE/xuxPxsU6RB0M05h xRnB7yE85+y1eXyXnwAuFCjvu0ihetVtEFVSWK8RO0Ee1mTvkNn5CxtAOtcQQcwsNsWaxd NyHrvT11zxcJe2VXr9hG54rFuSr7aAU4S0g6k57wFb948fdUERvyH8phqo1zoA9+P6zNiP 0YACO8WGzIS5A1KP21zSccTt/GfC0RAMRK83dr5LOBQCzYfkdYYva58bv/fivA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="P9jpj5//"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="P9jpj5//"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4F26C17A6A X-Spam-Score: -2.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: AtRtxWYA+eq7 --00000000000035415805c369e4c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 3:59 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > Beyond requiring oc-basic (or any other "activate" processor), do I > > need to do anything more to "use" it? > > You need to associate it to the "active" capability: > > (setq org-cite-activate-processor 'basic) > > (or with a file-local variable). > > > So then it might be ideal to have oc-csl be such an extensible > > "activate" processor then? > > It could be a good basis. > > > From what John has said here, it's likely to be quite awhile before we > > see an org-ref rewritten for org-cite. > > Maybe it provides interface we could write a thin wrapper with, and plug > it into the activate function. What would "it" be here? Org-ref, or pieces of it? In any case, I was thinking previewing of some sort would be valuable initially, and as Andras noted, citeproc-el is well-positioned to provide that. But it would be natural to potentially want to enhance that functionality later, as your mention of "extensibility" suggests. I do in general imagine that org-cite will provide a foundation for smaller packages that can enhance the functionality in flexible ways; not so much large monolithic packages, even if those are also possible. --00000000000035415805c369e4c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 3:59 PM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou= .fr> wrote:
>
> "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Beyond requiring oc-basic (or any other "activate" proc= essor), do I
> > need to do anything more to "use" it?
>
> You need to associate it to the "active" capability:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0(setq org-cite-activate-processor 'basic)
>
> (or with a file-local variable).
>
> > So then it might be ideal to have oc-csl be such an extensible > > "activate" processor then?
>
> It could be a good basis.
>
> > From what John has said here, it's likely to be quite awhile = before we
> > see an org-ref rewritten for org-cite.
>
> Maybe it provides interface we could write a thin wrapper with, and pl= ug
> it into the activate function.

What would "it" be here?

Org-ref, or pieces of it?

In any case, I was thinking previewing of some sort would be valuable initi= ally, and as Andras noted, citeproc-el is well-positioned to provide that.<= br>
But it would be natural to potentially want to enhance that functionality l= ater, as your mention of "extensibility" suggests.

I do in general imagine that org-cite will provide a foundation for smaller= packages that can enhance the functionality in flexible ways; not so much = large monolithic packages, even if those are also possible.
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