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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656259054; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=imdILF9DVXDTUGsku9Zy9J9B8ah5A578DKZQ9VWBpFI=; b=pp3TXpQC7raIZEdQF9GbX2JfOVgGH8iuAE5YVW2m/PO9IsVxCwqsiYWrPQtopJZZvSyror ZnVxnKqi8KOyOXFbI1rq86fZvn4EOkSwU3Amzmm96L/RBow3dyUTLI8X3jYKSYfX8an4yk PliZ0HWUZbS4fQoMQUWCIvCQo5bacl4DaNCG3YfMBkJCABTIN/lnSValSnJgReib0WoqNY A470ERIjGU719cSDu+4mqRRxchzo07LBxOfe4S7aGMoSFG4/tEVe3vuKuYrGh2vPUBLjxW jSz2YvM8UNeO9ysPolh2DQ1brDfRFkUjLEgZB7Rj3d7swH5a+qWnZl3jCGtaGg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656259054; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hEWsWcii2VZGvyLRbQBbN9rEzzH8RyhQgt7HSeSglQgDMYPf4ycltS4BNqf5B8o3fuK2DZ v9QBrZNP+CMe+zx8FC3p0xOskzJZyPWBx/3qwNC9h/dEWtTNAGRb1kd0A/6VJPx3sWT+v8 GTSpF1wYOQR9Ov+YbvsLQY1SCtKromudy+10ctvefGSAJ0tVorapgs4ScA6n3OvwMgcr7e Z1jGZsP83gkg6KG/yOm1xMwsYetVARziHVyGAnrAhKyTsexe65gX6OfxrqyDPVLqbwVepp qRNcroieujm9XKLQOuuPbomXARkB6QkixZuFpv7lkJDZLUql5/k6h6Fj4kTq1A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=daquefQT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.26 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=daquefQT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1F390129E7 X-Spam-Score: -7.26 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: lOgY+WxEpHzT Hi all, this message is slightly off-topic, and a shameless plug... Eev can do many things that Org and Hyperbole and do, but it makes very little sense to people who can play the role of "users" well, in the sense of people who can "use" Emacs packages without looking at the elisp source and hacking it, i.e.: reading the source of the package, inspecting and understanding its data structures, and creating sexps that call the package's functions directly... Eev still has a couple of parts whose data structures are hard to inspect. I don't regard these parts as "real" bugs, but I do regard them as hugely embarassing - and I have just fixed one of them: `find-here-links', that is explained in this section of the main tutorial, http://angg.twu.net/eev-intros/find-eev-quick-intro.html#4.1 and in this other tutorial: http://angg.twu.net/eev-intros/find-here-links-intro.html The way to run `find-here-links' in debug mode is explained here, http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-hlinks.el.html in the second part of the ";;; Commentary:" at the top - look for "Debug mode". As I mentioned in the other thread https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2022-06/msg00524.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2022-06/threads.html#00524 and in these pages, http://angg.twu.net/2021-org-for-non-users.html http://angg.twu.net/find-elisp-intro.html http://angg.twu.net/eev-wconfig.html http://angg.twu.net/hyperbole.html I find Org and Hyperbole difficult mainly because they are hacker-unfriendly. It _may be_ that some of the people who said that they find Org very hard in this thread https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-06/threads.html#00186 would also benefit from a bit more of hacker-friendliness... and so it would be great if more ideas could flow between Org, eev, and Hyperbole. Cheers and sorry the noise =P, Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/#eev