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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1615822060; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=1s0bkhmqjhFPEdVTcYKF64FaMzqv0vBmkMkqbjLveZI=; b=sbwfFeeZCwSe8xZ2+Lyomuh6F/bu71F0YO0PA6M0XLNeCH0WdJ4G/iborhsaAqaIs2Gp1x acvTl2EE7uGT2SE11e+t9mGNfF3TL2UI1Sa5w4dcppdNKmaomdJzdAEEukF+I8cjp1E1pW jp1dGWllPBa5JLrtVrk+P09EAVlm/0+AP4jVUZZK81NicRYW0czcBqZxAoHNvul4EuhLD1 A94thxjkqaF28Z315Cdb+MlttPJnMOLWAB5nmabuTk1VpceKSMzvpRZelwIy+cWmscFK+X QGunYKFMJKrbNF0JQNrAG6ifxzPrwQlUVTsz9mP6rtJJd+OlWfI7pCXBzK/EOw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1615822060; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EcTxrdR+blJMKm+5nhF25Gi8JhMUfYGj8fUandclY4mNFK0ADpV172XeVqJRrfr/c6jSJJ GVHpxxa/0UDtH389Rpp0EAuFsLXp57JoRMB8jXioH6HwkbAixLebIdQcgBXL6RAM5gAAd9 PkR+CT44Tl0PcOuRF2ZI8J+v3tvFq1Ro0Hom8XCmJINUUl/NRUk0RvwUaFtlnF5o4MSo5K NwEdMk1a2sZ+5tDbYZS7oJSR4osrQPD4UXGIvEVnOzzo84cWK7ZIoXl8fAqBcTIXTD4k9Q S19f+bz0uhG2R3z5hSaMRibfoQoEO2Y4vo0uMdWxNHp5nC20893x/o0R74LiIQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=UmMachAA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.60 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=UmMachAA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 76E0B272EC X-Spam-Score: -1.60 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: kiWvjEVzYy7d --00000000000015225405bd94d86c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a problem I=E2=80=99ve noticed as well. Now, I am a programmer =E2= =80=94 my code or it=E2=80=99s descendants is still in the distribution =E2=80=94 I do update= org mode regularly, and I get messages when I start up Emacs about Org mode files that can=E2=80=99t be loaded. I wouldn=E2=80=99t be surprised if the cause = is this renaming. But honestly I stopped having time to hack emacs 30 years ago. Wouldn=E2=80=99t it be desirable if changes that aren=E2=80=99t backward-co= mpatible included some kind of assistance for users? On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:16 Nick Dokos wrote: > The renaming was e.g org-bbdb to ol-bbdb, *NOT* to ol-org-bbdb. > > Similarly for all the rest: you won't find any of them in any installatio= n. > > -- > Nick > > "There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache > invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler > > > --00000000000015225405bd94d86c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is a problem I=E2=80=99ve noticed as well. Now, I am= a programmer =E2=80=94 my code or it=E2=80=99s descendants is still in the= distribution =E2=80=94 I do update org mode regularly, and I get messages = when I start up Emacs about Org mode files that can=E2=80=99t be loaded. I = wouldn=E2=80=99t be surprised if the cause is this renaming. But honestly I= stopped having time to hack emacs 30 years ago. Wouldn=E2=80=99t it be des= irable if changes that aren=E2=80=99t backward-compatible included some kin= d of assistance for users?=C2=A0

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:16 Nick Dok= os <ndokos@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
The renaming was e.g org-bbdb to ol-bbdb, *NOT* t= o ol-org-bbdb.

Similarly for all the rest: you won't find any of them in any installat= ion.

--
Nick

"There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache
invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler

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