From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Oleh Subject: Re: org-speed-commands-default 1 2 3 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:59:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8D04F1BE-A07B-4571-A991-B2D24484CD50@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301cc578b7cf0904e57b17cd Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47805) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGr8W-0000jE-2G for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:59:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGr8Q-0008GB-Gm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:59:16 -0400 Received: from mail-bk0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:4008:c01::232]:60879) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGr8Q-0008G1-5C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:59:10 -0400 Received: by mail-bk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id mz11so2207749bkb.9 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 06:59:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Tom Davey Cc: org mode --20cf301cc578b7cf0904e57b17cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Tom. I see that indeed the functionality is there. But I still find the speed keys much less awkward than giving a numeric argument. For instance, my gtd file as around 100 level 2 headings that I wish to navigate and they are grouped across 5 level 1 headings. I can jump from the middle of one group to another with "1hh2n". With numeric arguments this would be: "C-1 S-TAB C-p C-p C-2 S-TAB C-n". With speed bindings, I'm not even moving my fingers - I just have the left hand on "123" and the right hand on "hn". Anyway, to each his own:) regards, Oleh On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Tom Davey wrote: > Olen writes: > > > Level 2 is very useful - and cannot, unlike Level 1, be reached by S-TAB. > > Actually, it can. S-TAB takes a numeric prefix key. The doc string says: > > "When ARG is a numeric prefix, show contents of this level." > > So, you can directly open or close the outline to _any_ desired level "N" > with C-N S-TAB. I find that feature to be incredibly handy. It encourages > me to nest my outlines as deeply as I wish. > > Here's a little navigation utility I wrote to take advantage of S-TAB's > ability. Sometimes I'll want to collapse the outline to the level at point > in order, say, to clean things up by closing all lower levels. However, > it's not always obvious to me what level I'm on. And without knowing what > level I'm on, I can't hit the right numeric prefix for S-TAB. The following > utility does it all automagically by passing the result of > org-outline-level() to S-TAB. C-S-TAB is a logical binding for this > function. > > (defun open-org-outline-to-current-level () > "Opens or closes the Orgmode outline to the level at point." > (interactive) > (org-shifttab (org-outline-level)) > (message "The current outline level is %s." (org-outline-level))) > > Regards, > Tom Davey > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Oleh wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Carsten Dominik >> wrote: >> > >> > On 23.7.2013, at 15:48, Oleh wrote: >> > >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I've recently started using `org-use-speed-commands', and I like it a >> lot, >> >> except I had to make one tweak: >> >> >> >> (setq org-use-speed-commands t) >> >> (setq org-speed-commands-user >> >> '(("1" . (org-shifttab 1)) >> >> ("2" . (org-shifttab 2)) >> >> ("3" . (org-shifttab 3)))) >> >> >> >> The corresponding values of `org-speed-commands-default' aren't that >> useful >> >> for GTD: >> >> >> >> ("1" org-priority 65) >> >> ("2" org-priority 66) >> >> ("3" org-priority 67) >> > >> > That depends on wether you work with priorities. I find S-TAB easy >> enough, so I do not >> > really see the need for speed commands here. >> >> Maybe I should elaborate my point of view on the usability. >> Priorities don't normally need "buttons" to jump between states, >> a "knob" is enough: only increase/decrease priority, not jump to priority >> 1, >> jump to priority 2 etc. >> >> Outlines, on the other hand, can benefit from the ability to jump between >> the levels of expansion. >> >> Level 1 is very useful - it minimizes everything, showing the >> structure of the file. S-TAB is useful and simple, but you have to >> repeat several times, >> checking each time if it has brought you to the level that you wanted to >> be on. >> >> Level 2 is very useful - and cannot, unlike Level 1, be reached by S-TAB. >> For my gtd.org, it shows the tasks and appointments, without expanding >> them, as well as the project names, but not what they contain. >> This gives a nice overview of my projects. >> >> Level 3 is very useful - and cannot be reached by S-TAB. >> It shows me the separate TODOs for my projects, without revealing my >> notes on them, just the headings. >> I even bound the rest of the digits to levels and it is useful sometimes. >> >> In my opinion, these shortcuts make org-mode a better outlining tool, >> and should be given priority before the priority shortcuts. >> >> Slightly off-topic, these type of shortcuts is why I use Ubuntu Unity (I >> think >> I managed to turn off the spying). It's got a feature that Super+1-9 >> switches between applications in the sidebar slots 1-9. Sure, it's >> possible to do with Alt-TAB, and that's what most other desktops do, >> but Super+1-9 is superior, since you don't have to wait for feedback, >> you instantly get what you want. >> >> regards, >> Oleh >> >> > > > -- > -- > Tom Davey > tom@tomdavey.com > New York NY USA > --20cf301cc578b7cf0904e57b17cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Tom.

I see that indeed the func= tionality is there.
But I still find the speed keys much less awk= ward than=A0
giving a numeric argument.=A0
For instance= , my gtd file as around 100 level 2 headings that I wish to navigate
and they are grouped across 5 level 1 headings.=A0
I can jum= p from the middle of one group to another with
"1hh2n".=
With numeric arguments this would be:
"C-1 S-TAB = C-p C-p C-2 S-TAB C-n".
With speed bindings, I'm not even moving my fingers - I just have= =A0
the left hand on "123" and the right hand on "= hn".
Anyway, to each his own:)

rega= rds,
Oleh



On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Tom Davey = <tdavey@gmail.com> wrote:
Olen writes:

> Level 2 is very useful - and cannot, unlike= Level 1, be reached by S-TAB.

Actually, it can. S-TAB takes a numeric prefix key. The doc= string says:

"When ARG is a numeric prefix, show contents of this level."
<= br>
So, you can directly open or close the outline to _any_ desired le= vel "N" with C-N S-TAB. I find that feature to be incredibly hand= y. It encourages me to nest my outlines as deeply as I wish.

Here's a little navigation utility I wrote to take advan= tage of S-TAB's ability. Sometimes I'll want to collapse the outlin= e to the level at point in order, say, to clean things up by closing all lo= wer levels. However, it's not always obvious to me what level I'm o= n. And without knowing what level I'm on, I can't hit the right num= eric prefix for S-TAB. The following utility does it all automagically by p= assing the result of org-outline-level() to S-TAB. C-S-TAB is a logical bin= ding for this function.

(defun open-org-outline-to-current-level ()
=A0 "Opens or close= s the Orgmode outline to the level at point."
=A0=A0 (interactive)=
=A0=A0 (org-shifttab (org-outline-level))
=A0=A0 (message "The = current outline level is %s." (org-outline-level)))

Regards,
Tom Davey



On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Oleh <ohwoeowho@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Carsten= Dominik
<carsten.= dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 23.7.2013, at 15:48, Oleh <ohwoeowho@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've recently started using `org-use-speed-commands', and = I like it a lot,
>> except I had to make one tweak:
>>
>> =A0 =A0(setq org-use-speed-commands t)
>> =A0 =A0(setq org-speed-commands-user
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'(("1" . (org-shifttab 1))
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0("2" . (org-shifttab 2))
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0("3" . (org-shifttab 3))))
>>
>> The corresponding values of `org-speed-commands-default' aren&= #39;t that useful
>> for GTD:
>>
>> =A0 =A0("1" org-priority 65)
>> =A0 =A0("2" org-priority 66)
>> =A0 =A0("3" org-priority 67)
>
> That depends on wether you work with priorities. =A0I find S-TAB easy = enough, so I do not
> really see the need for speed commands here.

Maybe I should elaborate my point of view on the usability.
Priorities don't normally need "buttons" to jump between stat= es,
a "knob" is enough: only increase/decrease priority, not jump to = priority 1,
jump to priority 2 etc.

Outlines, on the other hand, can benefit from the ability to jump between the levels of expansion.

Level 1 is very useful - it minimizes everything, showing the
structure of the file. S-TAB is useful and simple, but you have to
repeat several times,
checking each time if it has brought you to the level that you wanted to be= on.

Level 2 is very useful - and cannot, unlike Level 1, be reached by S-TAB. For my gtd.org, it shows t= he tasks and appointments, without expanding
them, as well as the project names, but not what they contain.
This gives a nice overview of my projects.

Level 3 is very useful - and cannot be reached by S-TAB.
It shows me the separate TODOs for my projects, without revealing my
notes on them, just the headings.
I even bound the rest of the digits to levels and it is useful sometimes.
In my opinion, these shortcuts make org-mode a better outlining tool,
and should be given priority before the priority shortcuts.

Slightly off-topic, these type of shortcuts is why I use Ubuntu Unity (I th= ink
I managed to turn off the spying). It's got a feature that Super+1-9 switches between applications in the sidebar slots 1-9. Sure, it's
possible to do with Alt-TAB, and that's what most other desktops do, but Super+1-9 is superior, since you don't have to wait for feedback, you instantly get what you want.

regards,
Oleh




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Tom Davey
tom@tomdavey.com
New York NY USA= =20

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