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From: George Mauer <gmauer@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Cc: Tom Gillespie <tgbugs@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: A requires/provides approach to linking source code blocks
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:42:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+pajWL7w_NztC6J6Wpawa+xeE_7Nd0wmZJXrrdOCDW3K812eQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+G3_PMYjLttcvEwEXTgBEQWOnCs-UYQDMQAWm4ZCCNYmhKf4w@mail.gmail.com>

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In implementing an extension you might consider doing it as a generalized
form of what I did with ob-racket (https://github.com/togakangaroo/ob-racket

I think it is best to rely on the import/require/include mechanism of the
language you're using. Pretty much all of them support adjacent files. The
problem with code block execution is that it expands the block and writes
it to a temporary directory in a non-predictable location. If you want to
reference other blocks, you need them to *also* write into files in the
same folder.

What I do in ob-racket is support a header :adjacent-file which allows you
to pass in the name of another block and then writes it into the same
folder as the file to be executed with a predictable name (the name of the

So something like this

  #+begin_src racket :adjacent-file stacker-reader-expander.rkt
    #lang reader "./stacker-reader-expander.rkt"

Will make sure the block named `stacker-reader-expander.rkt` is written
into that same temporary directory with that same name. There's a few rough
edges but for the most part it works well. Would love to see someone take
this and generalize it into its own extension.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 2:18 PM Tom Gillespie <tgbugs@gmail.com> wrote:

> We have been receiving many new feature suggestions and requests
> coming in for org babel. I think that Tim's suggestion is the right
> one. Nearly all of these need to be implemented as an extension first
> and tested independently. Further, even if this is done, it should be
> clear that there is zero expectation that such extensions will be
> incorporated.
> Once I wrap up the formal grammar for org, one of the next things I
> plan to work on is a clear specification for org babel. This is
> critical because so many of the suggestions that come in deal with
> individuals' specific problems and thus fail to account for how such
> features interact with existing features and how the newly proposed
> feature would block some other features in the future, confuse users,
> etc. Such suggestions also often fail to account for increased
> complexity, nor have they been exposed to a sufficient number of
> examples to reveal fundamental ambiguities in how they could be
> interpreted. The issues with variable behavior between ob langs for
> :pre :post :prologue :epilogue etc. are already enough to keep us busy
> for quite some time.
> With regard to this thread in particular, it is of some interest, but
> there are fundamental issues, including the fact that certain
> languages (e.g. racket) expect module code to exist somewhere on the
> file system. There are ways around many of these issues, in fact there
> are likely many ways around any individual issue, so org babel needs
> to systematically consider the issues and provide a clear
> specification, or at least a guide for how such cases should be
> handled.
> To give an example from one of my continual pain points: I start
> writing python or racket in an org src block and then I want it to be
> a library so that it can be reused by other code both inside and
> outside the org file without having to resort to noweb.
> What is the best way to handle this? I don't know. Right now I tangle
> things and resort to awful hacks for the reuse-in-this-org-file case, but
> I'm guessing there is a better generic solution which would allow _any_
> org block to be exported as a library instead of nowebbed in.
> Before jumping for any particular suggestion for how to handle this
> we need to explore the diversity of cases that various ob langs
> present, so that we can find a solution that will work for all of
> them. After all, packaging code to a library for reuse is an
> extremely common pattern that org babel should be able to
> abstract, but it is a major undertaking, not just the addition of a
> keyword here and there.
> In short I suggest that we issue a general moratorium on new org babel
> feature suggestions until we can stabilize what we already have and
> provide a clear specification for correct behavior. Until we have that spec
> we could encourage users to create extensions that implement those
> features.
> Best,
> Tom
> PS The other next thing that I am working on might be another way out
> for this particular feature request. Namely, it is simplifying and
> extending org keyword syntax so that new keywords (with options) and
> associated keywords can be specified using keyword syntax within a
> single org file. This would make it possible to get useful high level
> keyword behavior in a single file without burdening the core
> implementation with more special cases for associated keywords, and it
> would allow users to write small elisp functions that could do some of
> what is suggested here, all without need to add anything to the core
> org implementation.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-13 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-09 17:00 A requires/provides approach to linking source code blocks autofrettage
2021-07-12  9:55 ` Alexander Adolf
2021-07-13 19:18   ` Tom Gillespie
2021-07-13 19:42     ` George Mauer [this message]
2021-07-14  0:44     ` Tim Cross
2021-07-14  1:53       ` Samuel Wales
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2021-07-08 16:24 Marko Schuetz-Schmuck
2021-07-08 19:32 ` Tim Cross
2021-07-09 13:38   ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-07-09 20:27   ` Berry, Charles via General discussions about Org-mode.
2021-07-09  7:29 ` Stefan Nobis

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