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Thanks for the explanations! =D1=81=D0=B1, 11 =D0=B0=D0=BF=D1=80. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 03:40, Kyle Meyer = : > > Dmitrii Korobeinikov writes: > > >> That seems confusing to me as well (at least being the not-advanced > >> clocker that I am). I suspect the confusion comes from the different > >> perspective from which it's written. You're talking about restarting > >> Emacs and clocking in again; the description is, I think, written > >> assuming the context of the prompt being triggered due to idle time. = In > >> that scenario, hitting i/q or 'k =3D> all' have the same effect; a new > >> entry is not created. > > > > I am not sure I follow. Is idle time some sort of concept used by > > org-clock for something more than the interface explanations? > > Yes, see > > (info "(org)Resolving idle time") > > Even if you don't customize org-clock-idle-time, the option mentioned in > the second paragraph of that page, you can trigger that prompt manually > to account for being idle by calling org-resolve-clocks (bound to 'C-c > C-x C-z' by default). > > > Whether I restart emacs or purposefully insert (while no clocks are > > running) `CLOCK: [2020-04-10 Fri 22:43]' into a logbook and do > > org-clock-in, the behaviour is the same. > > Right. I'd say that falls into the same category as the restart. The > key, as you mention, it that there is no clock running (versus a clock > running with idle time to account for). > > > Also, 'k =3D> all' is not an > > option for me, it just asks for a number, defaulting to the elapsed > > time. Perhaps it's because I am running an older version of org-mode > > (9.3.6.) > > Sorry for the unclear shorthand. I just meant "hit k, select the > default value to keep all idle time".