From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id CPlACTjHuGLzMQAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 22:53:12 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id wKU7CTjHuGJQegEA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 22:53:12 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD3919063 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 22:53:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57470 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5ZFm-0004Rs-Ma for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:53:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42468) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5ZEq-0004Rf-Ut for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:52:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53558) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5ZEo-00007y-Vi for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:52:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=To:Subject:Date:From:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version; bh=iIBOMaIAL6RGCQXFi1wsHi9VYKfMTLHxu7a2N5i/17o=; b=dGmMQKDYkcko bskxGXir6lNF9kg1T7wCxTNxbtZsBttuNa7Ml0VdJhLwiLu4pOhMeJYTkXLvcAOc0wOaQmTOcs6Oj oBpBEPxqeaB6Zj+7WYfKA1WNCx3LoQY3m3jvNxyMnX/VcEu7z8EEy4XQuPdaKa8N+B1rma4vt20+P xW1zF+v6OhHsuBmxS/N0zaWdMHIr0g3wB6b0/iWN9l4UG6L8B1chmBOO209q/GCuUwFxNFRm6Epid mWeSgiKWK3WpdTP+ZgbMa+H34rQzqynwPxm4J2AAnWC3F/0TuzhfMNE8Dulj1BhoQWSZftmpBZNM0 Imfsxgdqbb/W58IUyM9SiA==; Received: from mail-yb1-f169.google.com ([209.85.219.169]:41831) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5ZEo-0003rE-DQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:52:10 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f169.google.com with SMTP id v185so4041212ybe.8 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 13:52:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8rrHdN12TJq99pRew2RBgiux6di6BdDvJ0kbO1bIPZJUK43566 50g9avyuodA5wqHHUqsjowUoVFTeF7jTNALfRvc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sDFeTBQVu5aPSdJlgSJBQKPQNCOMYe4RPnL8Ro22V1geqfMcODZJ/aUx/sYSrYn0KRWTPNFlfl8WaQ2MrUtNg= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4109:0:b0:66c:74a1:4ca7 with SMTP id o9-20020a254109000000b0066c74a14ca7mr10217203yba.600.1656276729878; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 13:52:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4451244f7fd0ea50bcd2a2270b5e75b320b2feaf.camel@gmail.com> <50645f73f9047da28e4a86c0f8b3573e@libre.brussels> In-Reply-To: <50645f73f9047da28e4a86c0f8b3573e@libre.brussels> From: Robert Weiner Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:51:44 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Org and Hyperbole To: indieterminacy Cc: David Masterson , tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-org list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002260a405e25ffa24" X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rswgnu@gmail.com Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656276791; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=iIBOMaIAL6RGCQXFi1wsHi9VYKfMTLHxu7a2N5i/17o=; b=cjSCXOvJSx+FbBK77tPEcovoJuL0jf2/0ejHoIWEmpGHRJhpct9sHfbKCcAMz1yKHmMc+9 dt7lQkYpaBSqa8pSnBUnfkOknH8MopvVeCanwoPxTDxI1iam655lgHquGY8xKYIPyo7Adz pckxTy42qJxmx0y+rvNIRwvmQoLIiAiiot486A0tj0bfED8gUXLrAbOxQkcrEwH2u4ha0p Wv02pxjsAyf68XOXo32CN42ATTwWzr6EuTdcTdBBWaPUWDJYR3bFsrWeFXZC801t8ACZ3j OcRDUq+NiLQlWMP95ogk0mLI9yLg2pmenX4clTIv7Dkd7qA9RzS0axBT5CouHg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656276791; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qpH1I34OC7hcIQF+UftkDgUHRx9aMBanNVF6YAr3cGQyWZAJHJsahRNiZvtNnjALCGFBNj 9BV5sLg7mWW8sm0TE7Pw9rVbjCPwlERv0tfpOmVbvI9lKJDJOOMXdg7428bEagiSKlfBu3 YwE/b+uPLZqqmYpqRwEw+dBpfAvNZbhJRpuc53ZpmPjOmXDej9seLbrHmeVyGXlfbSVNrO vlPZNtAQf/KGjjoKI/NNiGb2dP1kmXpt/87zUEdOCkW3HlTKoLyZ4gt+Jury7Any20/VGH pj51v90r28vKkRXwxCCsIBMD2XPy2IUCPHoQVPGZ0/OuUM5ysdJ/0LcEgowwNw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=dGmMQKDY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=dGmMQKDY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AD3919063 X-Spam-Score: -3.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: xTdJdIeTlBdL --0000000000002260a405e25ffa24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Jonathan: Yes, I no longer have time to maintain it and based on quality standards don't wish to re-release it unless one or more highly experienced Emacs package developers want to take it on, as it is a good size package. Such a person would have to have developed significant Emacs packages like Org or Hyperbole and have reasonable time to answer questions and make updates as issues and requests came in. Familiarity with a multitude of object-oriented languages would also be useful. Such volunteers are welcome. Please don't offer if you have the desire but not the experience. In the event no such party appears, when I do find time to make some necessary updates for a release, I'll do my best to get to it and then make a release that you can check out. -- rsw On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 4:28 PM indieterminacy wrote: > > On 26-06-2022 22:03, David Masterson wrote: > > writes: > > > >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 11:37:55PM -0700, Siva Swaminathan wrote: > > > >>> [...] I feel that some of the > >>> questions raised here about Hyperbole sound akin to the story of five > >>> blind men feeling the elephant [...] > >> > >> The nice thing about that kind of situation is that it only can > >> improve > >> by adding in a sixth blind man ;-) > >> > >> Thank you from someone "too swamped right now to try to tackle another > >> whole peradigm, but still enormously curious about this thing". > > > > Yup! I hope a new generation of users will sprout. As I mentioned to > > Bob, I think OO-Browser will bring programmers in to help expand > > Hyperbole as well as OO-Browser. > > Ive seen references to OO-Browser (documentation, wistfulness) but hadnt > come across how to try it. > > Id interpreted it as being a victim of bitrot and lost in the sands of > time (and is resting next to a genie lamp and hardback documentation for > Xemacs). > > Is there a working version about for GNU Emacs? > > > -- > Jonathan McHugh > indieterminacy@libre.brussels > > --0000000000002260a405e25ffa24 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jonathan:

Yes, I no longer have time to maintain it = and based on quality standards don't wish to re-release it unless one o= r more highly experienced Emacs package developers want to take it on, as i= t is a good size package.=C2=A0 Such a person would have to have developed = significant Emacs packages like Org or Hyperbole and have reasonable time t= o answer questions and make updates as issues and requests came in.=C2=A0 F= amiliarity with a multitude of object-oriented languages would also be usef= ul.=C2=A0 Such volunteers are welcome.=C2=A0 Please don't offer if you = have the desire but not the experience.

In the event no such party a= ppears, when I do find time to make some necessary updates for a release, I= 'll do my best to get to it and then make a release that you can check = out.

-- rsw

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 4:28 PM indieterminacy <= indieterminacy@libre.brussels> wrote:

On 26-06-2022 22:03, David Masterson wrote:
> <tomas@tuxtea= m.de> writes:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 11:37:55PM -0700, Siva Swaminathan wrote:<= br> >
>>> [...] I feel that some of the
>>> questions raised here about Hyperbole sound akin to the story = of five
>>> blind men feeling the elephant [...]
>>
>> The nice thing about that kind of situation is that it only can >> improve
>> by adding in a sixth blind man ;-)
>>
>> Thank you from someone "too swamped right now to try to tackl= e another
>> whole peradigm, but still enormously curious about this thing"= ;.
>
> Yup!=C2=A0 I hope a new generation of users will sprout.=C2=A0 As I me= ntioned to
> Bob, I think OO-Browser will bring programmers in to help expand
> Hyperbole as well as OO-Browser.

Ive seen references to OO-Browser (documentation, wistfulness) but hadnt come across how to try it.

Id interpreted it as being a victim of bitrot and lost in the sands of
time (and is resting next to a genie lamp and hardback documentation for Xemacs).

Is there a working version about for GNU Emacs?


--
Jonathan McHugh
indieterminacy@libre.brussels

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