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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rswgnu@gmail.com Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656035240; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=bLTh4m4NowG1chDz/j5PSNq+KCLESzmiLFtFTSzqj3g=; b=R/cK7MsfYP8Vluq8J4jpovjDxhEDAzNBmUa9dUozjYHYc4T9O0/BzJY/PNAPAnl6vig4Sz hq+kRCAww2fu7xU20KmforV9kqdMO2uDqmi/hsxlxw1l6tmEwrtTJk/ckc1n1i7FvzyVgR 0BXhl/ZOBhugmwmHmJMQ2LJCw6kiT70dzXgt+eq2woWnHzLmDAFHko6icXavBKxi+N0C8u J2TulGcA0Fscq+JB1NLC+ZukqmYfxUr0cDmbOmnRbZvYdgwyoCa37sRHev8OhcbatFL56o 6XO4XN4n3eHpoqNpSEtN3mFmrxUxJDoFK1v+RAhZq+p5dqkaK6PlITONsnub/g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656035240; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=PnQ3q1uCbKgkicVkg3KP3hfz5uyNZ6/mglFFVgqrhSld4F5lokvDnN/OWq0BN69ox0OSHy 4/kRhG2Bw5hT9KFSrDJ1oilFn4HpRoKB0C7natbh9tWewmF8QmDlvZpzA9je6d6iJf/z02 bEvAcZvMVfOjrl63MJAkKwdPN1HCaApY86NOCm11rPJOtyuIp/aa+RFHWlgtefxxCr284d DDHXT4JfJO+deSDS5fCc9IfZIsApKNJQqEBgygoyuZ5HCPvZjxzHPNGQ/i5gv/L99ytzHH kgIRqCeZ4sTaRkeo0iRcNwQ4rh/MLAConsI8yJZz5oQfQgW1Me67nMy5fzOYmQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=rIhTx6Nk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.16 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=rIhTx6Nk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: ACDCA363EA X-Spam-Score: -4.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Z5Id7+hMQ9Tl Hi: Thanks to Juan for starting this thread and the interesting conversation it has started. I just joined this mail list, so I don't have the prior messages and can't reply to the thread, so I have started this new one. I am the author of Hyperbole and would be happy to answer questions concerning Hyperbole today (so you don't have to answer based on experience from the 1990s). Hyperbole has been modernized for use with Org mode and Emacs 28 and continues to develop. There are videos that demonstrate some of its features in simple, understandable ways. Hyperbole is a single Emacs package that can be installed and uninstalled quickly for testing. It is largely a global minor mode, so you can also disable it quickly if you ever care to. In 20 minutes you can get through the builtin, interactive demo and be on your way to basic yet powerful usage. We have listened to much feedback in the last few years and made it much more approachable. I find most of the confusion is people trying to understand how Hyperbole works under the covers rather than just following the tutorial and exploring it. Hyperbole can be hacked on if you are a moderate to advanced programmer but it is meant to be used, like Org mode. Hyperbole recognizes many, many common contexts in buffers that could serve as hyperlinks (paths, URLs, multiple key sequences, mail addresses, and on and on) and performs the typically desired action when you press its Action Key {M-RET} on these 'implicit buttons'. You get all this for free with no effort on your part. Then if you want to extend such behavior, as you have seen a bit of, you can define your own implicit button and action types once and then activate an infinite number of matching implicit buttons. For example, in an Emacs shell buffer, type: echo $PATH then press the {M-RET} key or Shift-Middle mouse button on any path there and jump right to it. I find that very useful as a simple example. People are often surprised at how many things simply work right out of the box because such broad context-sensitive behavior is difficult to develop and rarely seen. Just try it out and you should find some contexts that you can leverage rapidly. {C-h A} displays what Hyperbole's Action Key will do in any context so you can always check and learn before activating anything. We say: Hyperbole brings your text to life. Like Org and Emacs, it provides an extensive environment that you can grow into across time, getting ever more productive rather than hitting a ceiling as with most point packages/tools. I am happy to answer questions and discuss ways we can make Hyperbole and Org work even better together; one direct question per message would typically work best. Responses may take awhile as my schedule makes it difficult to keep up with high volume mailing lists but if you cc: rsw@gnu.org, I'll likely see your message faster and respond.