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Hyperbole is a much broader personal information management environment, one part of which is to turn every common type of cross-reference found in buffers from programming identifiers to page links into immediately useable hyperlinks with no effort or markup on your part (implicit buttons). Hyperbole includes a large array of implicit buttons and context awareness, rather than expecting you to write your own solutions to all of your needs. It is more turn-key. One appendix in the Hyperbole manual is filled with all the contexts and associated actions that Hyperbole supports out of the box: https://www.gnu.org/software/hyperbole/man/hyperbole.html#toc-Smart-Key-Ref= erence-1 Other features include: named hyperbuttons accessed from any buffer, advanced contact management or hierarchical record searching (point HyRolo at Org files and you can find single entries within hierarchies), automatable frame and window management, action triggers from mouse drags, Org hyperbutton activation outside of Org mode, easy menu-based exposure of Emacs filtering and searching capabilities, quick grid-based display of desired buffers or files. Hyperbole puts your textual information at your fingertips in a myriad of ways, just as Emacs makes text editing convenient and flexible in a myriad of ways. Like Emacs, you are expected to grow into a broad away of uses across time, not to digest all at once or in your first month of use. But by learning and combining capabilities, you can become masterful at managing your information and Org can be a big part of this journey as well. Enjoy. -- rsw On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 1:57 PM Jo=C3=A3o Pedro = wrote: > Hey Robert. Thanks for coming here to offer to clarify any doubts people > have regarding Hyperbole. > > I haven't been interacting with the thread, but I've been lurking about > and I've tried Hyperbole in the past, but couldn't precisely figure out > its use case in my particular workflow, so I gave up on it. > > Now, according to your description, the main feature of Hyperbole looks > a lot like what Embark [1] does sort of the same thing, albeit in > different contexts, complexity (not a bad thing) and workflow. Would you > be able to compare them? I think it would help me understand where > exactly Hyperbole fits, and what is the problem it tries to solve. > > [1] https://github.com/oantolin/embark > > Best regards, > > -- > Jo=C3=A3o Pedro de A. Paula > IT undergraduate at Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte (UFRN) > --000000000000267bb605e23bac69 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=C2=A0Jo=C3=A3o:

= Oantolin=C2=A0no doubt can speak to Embark much better but my present
understanding is that it is a toolkit package for generating = contextual
popup or completion menus with a few standard = context menus included.

Hyperbole = is a much broader personal information management
environ= ment, one part of which is to turn every common type of
=
c= ross-reference found in buffers from programming identifiers to
page links into immediately useable hyperlinks with no effort=
or markup on your part (implicit buttons).
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"">
Hyperbole includes a large array of implicit buttons a= nd context
awareness, rather than expecting you to write = your own solutions
to all of your needs.=C2=A0 It is more= turn-key.=C2=A0 One appendix in the
Hyperbole manual is = filled with all the contexts and associated
actions th= at Hyperbole supports out of the box:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= https://www.gnu.org/software/hyperbole/m= an/hyperbole.html#toc-Smart-Key-Reference-1

Other features include: named hyperbuttons=C2=A0= accessed from any
buffer, advanced contact management or = hierarchical record
searching (point HyRolo at Org file= s and you can find single
entries within hierarchies), au= tomatable frame and window
management, action triggers fr= om mouse drags, Org hyperbutton
activation outside of Org= mode, easy menu-based exposure of
Emacs filtering and se= arching capabilities, quick grid-based
display of desired= buffers or files.=C2=A0 Hyperbole puts your textual
info= rmation at your fingertips in a myriad of ways, just as Emacs=
makes text editing convenient and flexible in a myriad of ways.=

Like Emacs, you are expected to grow int= o a broad away of uses across time,
not to digest all at = once or in your first month of use.=C2=A0 But by learning and combining
capabilities, you can become masterful at managing your info= rmation and Org can
be a big part of this journey as we= ll.

Enjoy.

-- rsw



On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 1:57 PM Jo=C3=A3o = Pedro <jpedrodeamorim@gmail.= com> wrote:
Hey Robert. Thanks for coming here to offer to clarify any doubts people=
have regarding Hyperbole.

I haven't been interacting with the thread, but I've been lurking a= bout
and I've tried Hyperbole in the past, but couldn't precisely figure= out
its use case in my particular workflow, so I gave up on it.

Now, according to your description, the main feature of Hyperbole looks
a lot like what Embark [1] does sort of the same thing, albeit in
different contexts, complexity (not a bad thing) and workflow. Would you be able to compare them? I think it would help me understand where
exactly Hyperbole fits, and what is the problem it tries to solve.

[1] https://github.com/oantolin/embark

Best regards,

--
Jo=C3=A3o Pedro de A. Paula
IT undergraduate at Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte (UFRN)
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