From: Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org>
To: Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-org list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Org and Hyperbole
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 16:48:01 -0400 [thread overview]
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On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 3:06 AM Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Thanks, Jean. We have started work on a note-taking subsystem for
> > Hyperbole that will store UUIDs per note and will likely support
> backlinks
> > too. We are seeing if we can make it support Koutlines, Emacs Outlines,
> > Org mode files and Markdown files, searching across all formats at the
> same
> > time. The default for creating new notes will likely be a personal
> > Koutline file.
>
> Not Jean, but as someone using Org with Hyperbole, this is a great news!
>
Good to hear. Maybe you can provide early feedback when it hits the
Hyperbole pre-release in the elpa-devel package archive (pre-releases of
Hyperbole packaged up from the git master branch tip).
>
> > We welcome brief summaries of features you need for effective note taking
> > in Emacs. We are not looking to do much with images or on mobile
> devices,
> > just focused on people who spend a lot of time in Emacs and want an
> > easy-to-use notes system that does not require any external packages like
> > SQLite.
>
> For my 2c:
>
> - Multiple small files vs single large file.
> I currently have former, with org-roam taking care of finding, linking
> and backlinking between files, making it a non-issue to easily build a
> network of connected topics/thoughts
>
Yes. It will search over many files and even recursive directories of
files. Org-roam has a good model for rapid searching, so we'll have to
consider something similar. It might not be in the first release but will
come by the second major release.
>
> - Daily notes
> Every day gets its own note, only generated if visited. This allows
> dumping the thoughts at that moment rather than first hunting the
> correct node. Then they can be easily filtered into actual topic note,
> or just be referenced via backlinks buffer
>
Each note will have an optional datetime stamp which will be on by
default. If you care to make one note per day, you can do that.
>
> - sqlite might just be better, considering overhead of opening and
> parsing hundreds-thousands of small files is non-negligible.
>
Yes, that is the reason for desiring some kind of database-backed indexing.
>
> - Refiling
> Refile/move the subtree (in Org terms) can be easily moved to another
> file and the links automatically point to new location. This means I
> can always know rearranging stuff later is a possibility, and its less
> cognitive burden to organize.
>
Yes. The idea is that you initially capture notes into a single default
file and then can quickly refile them as needed.
>
> In short, the framework takes care of organization and makes retrieval
> easy and all I have to worry about is the content.
>
Yes, I think we typically do this throughout Hyperbole, as it is very
important to us.
Thanks for the thoughts.
-- rsw
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Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-04 6:46 Org and Hyperbole Payas Relekar
2022-10-07 22:44 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 0:45 ` Hendursaga
2022-10-08 1:05 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 17:04 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:48 ` Robert Weiner [this message]
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2022-10-09 9:12 Payas Relekar
2022-06-24 1:45 Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 1:56 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 4:32 ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-24 5:34 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 10:55 ` indieterminacy
2022-06-24 12:51 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:26 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-10 4:02 ` indieterminacy
2022-09-27 13:59 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-04 6:10 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-04 18:05 ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 19:52 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 21:05 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-09 9:54 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:44 ` David Masterson
2022-10-10 23:04 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-11 0:21 ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 22:57 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:50 ` David Masterson
2022-10-10 23:07 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 20:53 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-09 11:16 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:52 ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 22:18 ` Jean Louis
2022-09-27 13:52 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-24 2:13 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-24 2:20 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 2:14 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 6:29 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-24 12:44 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 13:52 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-24 22:06 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 14:32 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-25 20:35 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:34 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 21:43 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-24 17:57 ` João Pedro
2022-06-25 1:32 ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-02 4:41 ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-02 4:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02 4:57 ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-02 5:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02 21:38 ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-07 12:18 ` Max Brieiev
2022-07-07 12:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-16 23:16 ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-16 23:17 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 19:07 ` David Masterson
2022-06-25 20:49 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 21:18 ` David Masterson
2022-10-08 19:44 ` Robert Weiner
2022-09-27 14:06 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-04 6:11 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-07 22:04 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-26 6:37 ` Siva Swaminathan
2022-06-26 7:24 ` tomas
2022-06-26 20:03 ` David Masterson
2022-06-26 20:27 ` indieterminacy
2022-06-26 20:51 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-27 23:16 ` David Masterson
2022-06-26 20:27 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 19:52 ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-04 10:43 ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 11:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-04 11:08 ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 11:09 ` Tim Cross
2022-07-04 14:20 ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 16:56 ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-06 16:58 ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-07 2:33 ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-07 10:46 ` Fraga, Eric
2022-10-08 20:01 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-22 19:57 linux_hpc_akr
2022-06-23 6:47 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23 6:53 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-20 14:03 Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-20 15:26 ` Russell Adams
2022-06-20 16:57 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-20 23:28 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-20 23:37 ` Tim Cross
2022-09-27 13:06 ` Jean Louis
2022-09-27 15:08 ` Russell Adams
2022-10-08 17:26 ` Robert Weiner
2022-09-27 13:18 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-22 15:13 ` Russell Adams
2022-06-22 17:36 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 18:05 ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 19:03 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23 3:46 ` David Masterson
2022-06-20 15:56 ` Uwe Brauer
2022-06-20 16:09 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-20 16:24 ` indieterminacy
2022-06-22 14:48 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-09-27 13:26 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-21 3:08 ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 10:37 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-22 14:35 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 19:23 ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 19:26 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 19:55 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23 18:48 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-22 19:17 ` David Masterson
2022-06-23 1:12 ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-23 4:04 ` David Masterson
2022-06-23 5:22 ` indieterminacy
2022-06-23 15:38 ` Samuel Banya
2022-06-23 23:30 ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-23 23:36 ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-24 5:50 ` indieterminacy
2022-09-27 13:33 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-07 20:34 ` Jean Louis
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