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From: Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org>
To: Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-org list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Org and Hyperbole
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 16:48:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+OMD9g+vCt4qZEkdyT40w7XvijQOQRiCr0htAdK3tfRacq7Cw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 3:06 AM Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Thanks, Jean.  We have started work on a note-taking subsystem for
> > Hyperbole that will store UUIDs per note and will likely support
> backlinks
> > too.  We are seeing if we can make it support Koutlines, Emacs Outlines,
> > Org mode files and Markdown files, searching across all formats at the
> same
> > time.  The default for creating new notes will likely be a personal
> > Koutline file.
>
> Not Jean, but as someone using Org with Hyperbole, this is a great news!
>

Good to hear.  Maybe you can provide early feedback when it hits the
Hyperbole pre-release in the elpa-devel package archive (pre-releases of
Hyperbole packaged up from the git master branch tip).

>
> > We welcome brief summaries of features you need for effective note taking
> > in Emacs.  We are not looking to do much with images or on mobile
> devices,
> > just focused on people who spend a lot of time in Emacs and want an
> > easy-to-use notes system that does not require any external packages like
> > SQLite.
>
> For my 2c:
>
> - Multiple small files vs single large file.
>   I currently have former, with org-roam taking care of finding, linking
>   and backlinking between files, making it a non-issue to easily build a
>   network of connected topics/thoughts
>

Yes.  It will search over many files and even recursive directories of
files.  Org-roam has a good model for rapid searching, so we'll have to
consider something similar.  It might not be in the first release but will
come by the second major release.

>
> - Daily notes
>   Every day gets its own note, only generated if visited. This allows
>   dumping the thoughts at that moment rather than first hunting the
>   correct node. Then they can be easily filtered into actual topic note,
>   or just be referenced via backlinks buffer
>

Each note will have an optional datetime stamp which will be on by
default.  If you care to make one note per day, you can do that.

>
> - sqlite might just be better, considering overhead of opening and
>   parsing hundreds-thousands of small files is non-negligible.
>

Yes, that is the reason for desiring some kind of database-backed indexing.

>
> - Refiling
>   Refile/move the subtree (in Org terms) can be easily moved to another
>   file and the links automatically point to new location. This means I
>   can always know rearranging stuff later is a possibility, and its less
>   cognitive burden to organize.
>

Yes.  The idea is that you initially capture notes into a single default
file and then can quickly refile them as needed.

>
> In short, the framework takes care of organization and makes retrieval
> easy and all I have to worry about is the content.
>

Yes, I think we typically do this throughout Hyperbole, as it is very
important to us.

Thanks for the thoughts.

-- rsw

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-08 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-04  6:46 Org and Hyperbole Payas Relekar
2022-10-07 22:44 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08  0:45   ` Hendursaga
2022-10-08  1:05     ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 17:04       ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:48 ` Robert Weiner [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-09  9:12 Payas Relekar
2022-06-24  1:45 Robert Weiner
2022-06-24  1:56 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24  4:32   ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-24  5:34     ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 10:55       ` indieterminacy
2022-06-24 12:51         ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:26           ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-10  4:02             ` indieterminacy
2022-09-27 13:59       ` Jean Louis
2022-10-04  6:10         ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-04 18:05           ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 19:52             ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 21:05               ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-09  9:54                 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:44                   ` David Masterson
2022-10-10 23:04                     ` Jean Louis
2022-10-11  0:21                       ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 22:57             ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:50               ` David Masterson
2022-10-10 23:07                 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-08 20:53             ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-09 11:16               ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 16:52               ` David Masterson
2022-10-07 22:18           ` Jean Louis
2022-09-27 13:52     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-24  2:13 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-24  2:20   ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24  2:14 ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24  6:29 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-24 12:44   ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-24 13:52 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-24 22:06   ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 14:32     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-25 20:35       ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 20:34       ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 21:43         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-24 17:57 ` João Pedro
2022-06-25  1:32   ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-02  4:41     ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-02  4:49       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02  4:57         ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-02  5:12           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02 21:38             ` Samuel Wales
2022-07-07 12:18     ` Max Brieiev
2022-07-07 12:27       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-16 23:16         ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-16 23:17           ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 19:07 ` David Masterson
2022-06-25 20:49   ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-25 21:18     ` David Masterson
2022-10-08 19:44       ` Robert Weiner
2022-09-27 14:06     ` Jean Louis
2022-10-04  6:11       ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-07 22:04         ` Jean Louis
2022-06-26  6:37 ` Siva Swaminathan
2022-06-26  7:24   ` tomas
2022-06-26 20:03     ` David Masterson
2022-06-26 20:27       ` indieterminacy
2022-06-26 20:51         ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-27 23:16           ` David Masterson
2022-06-26 20:27   ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-08 19:52   ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-04 10:43 ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 11:01   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-04 11:08     ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 11:09   ` Tim Cross
2022-07-04 14:20     ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-04 16:56       ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-06 16:58         ` Fraga, Eric
2022-07-07  2:33           ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-07 10:46             ` Fraga, Eric
2022-10-08 20:01               ` Robert Weiner
2022-06-22 19:57 linux_hpc_akr
2022-06-23  6:47 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23  6:53   ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-20 14:03 Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-20 15:26 ` Russell Adams
2022-06-20 16:57   ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-20 23:28     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-20 23:37   ` Tim Cross
2022-09-27 13:06     ` Jean Louis
2022-09-27 15:08       ` Russell Adams
2022-10-08 17:26         ` Robert Weiner
2022-09-27 13:18     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-22 15:13   ` Russell Adams
2022-06-22 17:36     ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 18:05       ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 19:03         ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23  3:46           ` David Masterson
2022-06-20 15:56 ` Uwe Brauer
2022-06-20 16:09 ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-20 16:24 ` indieterminacy
2022-06-22 14:48   ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-09-27 13:26   ` Jean Louis
2022-06-21  3:08 ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 10:37   ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-22 14:35     ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 19:23       ` David Masterson
2022-06-22 19:26         ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-22 19:55           ` Bill Burdick
2022-06-23 18:48       ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-06-22 19:17     ` David Masterson
2022-06-23  1:12     ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-23  4:04       ` David Masterson
2022-06-23  5:22         ` indieterminacy
2022-06-23 15:38           ` Samuel Banya
2022-06-23 23:30           ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-23 23:36             ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-24  5:50               ` indieterminacy
2022-09-27 13:33       ` Jean Louis
2022-10-07 20:34       ` Jean Louis

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