From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: [export] Easy way to make children of Beamer frames generate list items? Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5234728E.3000901@gmail.com> <20130914151508.GH28088@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33640) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VL2Om-0002p6-C0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:49:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VL2Ol-0005at-4Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:49:20 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]:33000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VL2Ok-0005ap-V4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:49:19 -0400 Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id uz6so2468092obc.33 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:49:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: James Harkins Cc: emacs-orgmode On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM, James Harkins wrote: > Suvayu Ali gmail.com> writes: > >> I think it is unwise to keep coming up with ways to support semantically >> wrong behaviour just for the sake of backwards compatibility. This was >> changed with good reason and after a lot of discussions. If you >> continue on this path, you will have to keep maintaining this yourself >> for all eternity (sorry about the hyperbole :-p). It's a lot of work >> for a long time just to avoid some annoying work now. > I mostly agree, but as others are noting some of us had months and months worth of presentations in the old format, so it's not always trivial to update and old .org file and re-export. I don't think we need to semantically (or syntactically?) support the old behavior (I wouldn't say wrong), but it's worth coming up with solutions for those who especially aren't using git or quasi-frequent snapshots. Keep in mind that a majority of users may very well be using distro-specific releases. I have no idea how, say, Ubuntu's releases compare to Org's. In any case, I'm mostly in agreement that Org's changed and thus the file structure should change... but not all of us use the git and/or snapshot Org version with regular frequency and thus I expect a fair amount of trickling in of users surprised at the incompatibility. John > FWIW, I hit this issue about half a year ago, and argued pretty strenuously > that breaking backward compatibility was a Terrible Terrible Thing. But, > having adapted to the new markup spec, I find it's more logically consistent > *and* easier to read while editing. > > I still have a semester's worth of class slides to convert from the old > format, week by week, but it's worth it -- do it once per presentation, and > that's the end of it. > > The new way really is better (I say this as someone who was horrified six > months ago to find that my old presentations were broken). > > hjh > >