Re: evil-mode and org

[John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:12 AM, John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Using evil-mode is not "using vim" IMHO. I think this is a question of
> do you want modal editing or not (I suppose it could also be do you want
> emacs-lisp or vimscript, but that is not the impression I get these days
> ;). With emacs you can have either traditional emacs editing (one-mode:
> edit) or modal editing like vim (for the most part). And you can still
> use emacs-lisp to customize the environment so you can have things like
> org-mode.

Totally agreed. I possibly learned of evil-mode via Aaron as mentioned by Peter:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWD1Fpdd4Pc

It's been on my todo list to try... I just haven't yet. I see
evil-mode as using some of the better navigation aspects of vim inside
the already awesome org-mode. Indeed, one of Aaron's main points (and
he struck me as a power user of both emacs and vim, so I think he has
the background to make the claim) is why anyone would try to replicate
all the awesomeness of emacs/org in something like vim when it already
exists.

My takeaway is that evil-mode acknowledges that folks want to be in
emacs for it's features, while also acknowledging that emacs
keybindings can be horrible (and vim's are better).


John

>
> I have seen a growing movement towards modal editing in emacs, e.g.
> evil-mode, spacemacs, hydra, avy/ivy, etc... and even do some things
> modally myself with those tools.
>
> Peter Neilson writes:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:57:40 -0400, Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've never used Vim but I see a lot of people online raving about evil
>>> mode
>>> and how much they love it. I'm considering giving it a whirl after the
>>> semester ends & I get some free time. I just wondered whether any heavy
>>> org
>>> users here on the list use evil, and if so, whether you see pain points
>>> within org-mode -- my setup is pretty heavily customized, for instance,
>>> and
>>> I wonder whether that means it will be quite painful to use evil.
>>
>> You will also find people asking why anyone would ever think of using vim.
>> One of those is Aaron Bieber.
>> https://blog.aaronbieber.com/2016/01/30/dig-into-org-mode.html
>>
>> I use vim only when unavoidable, and I simply pretend it is ed (of ancient
>> Unix days). Or maybe I just use ed. I would not bother trying to use ed to
>> access org, and thus would not be tempted to use vi, vim or evil mode for
>> org, either. One fine day, long, long ago, I had to use a Vax that did not
>> have emacs, vim, vi or ed. It did have whatever DEC was using for an
>> editor, but I didn't know how to use it instantly. What to do? What to do?
>> I tried running TECO. Yes, it had TECO! Saved! (Sort of.)
>>
>> Why use vim if emacs is already built into your fingertips?
>
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