From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: [export] Easy way to make children of Beamer frames generate list items? Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 09:48:54 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5234728E.3000901@gmail.com> <20130914151508.GH28088@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> <20130915105749.GN28088@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55318) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VLDdB-00016Z-9C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:49:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VLDdA-00031E-7a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:48:57 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22c]:52824) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VLDdA-000319-1z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:48:56 -0400 Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id gq1so2810101obb.17 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130915105749.GN28088@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Suvayu Ali Cc: emacs-orgmode On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 09:49:18PM -0500, John Hendy wrote: >> >> In any case, I'm mostly in agreement that Org's changed and thus the >> file structure should change... but not all of us use the git and/or >> snapshot Org version with regular frequency and thus I expect a fair >> amount of trickling in of users surprised at the incompatibility. > > As I outlined towards the end of my earlier message, it is not possible > (at least easily with some config magic) to get back the old behaviour > with the new exporter. Maybe then we should have an FAQ stating so and > outlining how one could make the format switch (again, a possible path > provided in my previous message). > My response was geared toward "Is there a handy workaround in the mean time so that Christoph can get quicker access to his materials" than "Can we program Org-mode to handle all legacy forms of input to the exporter." Sorry if it seemed that I was requesting an "official" fix. It was more of a prompt for someone clever with LaTeX and/or the new exporter guts to possibly give him some magic to convert lower headlines to list while he changes over vs. simply saying, "No. You can't do that." Now I understand it really just isn't possible at all, and that's a good answer to have as well :) > Do you think that would be a good idea? If so, I'll add a short FAQ > with a pointer to this thread for now. We can clean it up later. I'm not sure on this. I was thinking about your answer some more, and perhaps I'm trying to be empathetic with those who aren't subscribed to the mailing list and thus weren't submerged in constant discussions about the new exporter, opportunities to try it on an experimental branch, tons of warnings that "it's coming," and so on. Then again, I countered myself with realizing that it's not like extreme computer novices are installing this on a daily basis -- each of us probably had to stumble on it when looking for outlining program alternatives, either already knew or endured Emacs to use Org (like me), and are aware of things like mailing lists and StackOverflow. So... maybe my concern is unfounded. Org users are most likely more familiar than many with reading manuals/help files, seeking help, etc. I think there's a decent amount out there about the new exporter, but it can seem a bit scattered between the manual and Worg. When I wanted to constantly refer back to the upgrade instructions page that Bastien/Nicolas created, I was constantly googling "upgrade Org 8.0." At the time, I don't think it worked with just "upgrade" and no version. So things like that make me wonder how easy it is to find these things without sort of knowing where they are. Alright -- enough wind out of me. All that said, yes, more info and references/links can't hurt. That's probably the most helpful thing for newcomers/non-mailing-list people -- something smack-dab on the Org-mode webpage about FAQs or troubleshooting. Thanks for the explanations and dialog! John > > Cheers, > > -- > Suvayu > > Open source is the future. It sets us free. >