From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:57:25 -0600 Message-ID: References: <87lhkvm4nb.fsf@orgzly.com> <87fvb222ft.fsf@gnu.org> <87a91aiie1.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <54C1CA5F.6060209@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01634be8e6b56c050d5a8cc7 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53834) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEo6S-00062E-JX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:57:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEo6R-00054A-92 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:57:28 -0500 Received: from mail-ob0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::229]:58598) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEo6R-000544-1E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:57:27 -0500 Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va8so332863obc.0 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:57:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54C1CA5F.6060209@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Scott Randby Cc: emacs-orgmode --089e01634be8e6b56c050d5a8cc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Jan 22, 2015 10:13 PM, "Scott Randby" wrote: > > On 01/22/2015 05:02 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > >> Now the question is: what is the most appropriate place to *inform* >> about his project. If not the Org-mode discussion list, I really don't >> know. (I assume that nobody denies his *right* to license his work >> according to his wishes, of course, for if not, another explanation >> would be that this project doesn't have any right to *exist* in the >> first place.) > > > Since we cannot view the code of this software, then we have no way of determining before we use it if it has any purpose other than its stated purpose. For all we know, it contains some nasty code that takes over your system and deletes all of your files or worse. > > To trust this software because the developer seems to have good intentions is foolish. When I saw the announcement, I interpreted it as saying this: "Gee, here is some neat software I wrote. You can't see the code, but trust me, I'm good. I'll open up part of the code maybe sometime, but for now you can try it out for free. I'm not going to cut you off later and make you pay to continue using this wonderful thing. And no, it doesn't do anything bad like steal information or trash systems. Trust me." No thanks, I say. Promote this somewhere else. > I somewhat get the sentiment, but it *is* on Google Play (granted, beta). How is that different from other [android closed source] apps? I see the announcement as relevant: i.e. "I have an app relevant to org mode and thought I'd let the list devoted to org mode know about it." Just wanted to express a counter-view. I'm a list member without a 100% no closed source policy on my phone (and computer for that matter). John > Scott Randby > --089e01634be8e6b56c050d5a8cc7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Jan 22, 2015 10:13 PM, "Scott Randby" <srandby@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 01/22/2015 05:02 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:
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>> Now the question is: what is the most appropriate place to *inform= *
>> about his project.=C2=A0 If not the Org-mode discussion list, I re= ally don't
>> know.=C2=A0 (I assume that nobody denies his *right* to license hi= s work
>> according to his wishes, of course, for if not, another explanatio= n
>> would be that this project doesn't have any right to *exist* i= n the
>> first place.)
>
>
> Since we cannot view the code of this software, then we have no way of= determining before we use it if it has any purpose other than its stated p= urpose. For all we know, it contains some nasty code that takes over your s= ystem and deletes all of your files or worse.
>
> To trust this software because the developer seems to have good intent= ions is foolish. When I saw the announcement, I interpreted it as saying th= is: "Gee, here is some neat software I wrote. You can't see the co= de, but trust me, I'm good. I'll open up part of the code maybe som= etime, but for now you can try it out for free. I'm not going to cut yo= u off later and make you pay to continue using this wonderful thing. And no= , it doesn't do anything bad like steal information or trash systems. T= rust me." No thanks, I say. Promote this somewhere else.
>

I somewhat get the sentiment, but it *is* on Google Play (gr= anted, beta). How is that different from other [android closed source] apps= ? I see the announcement as relevant: i.e. "I have an app relevant to = org mode and thought I'd let the list devoted to org mode know about it= ."

Just wanted to express a counter-view. I'm a list member= without a 100% no closed source policy on my phone (and computer for that = matter).

John

> Scott Randby
>

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