From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: Org Tutorials need more structure Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:52:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: <52474101.7010904@verizon.net> <20130928233159.56203f9f@aga-netbook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60429) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQ2RG-0003QJ-1d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:52:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQ2RE-0000yx-Tv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:52:33 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::233]:60503) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQ2RE-0000yr-Oe for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:52:32 -0400 Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id wn1so4165318obc.38 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:52:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130928233159.56203f9f@aga-netbook> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Cc: emacs-orgmode On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcin Borkowski wr= ote: > Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 16:50:09 > Charles Millar napisa=C5=82(a): > >> On 9/28/2013 3:52 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: >> > Aloha Carsten, >> > >> snip >> > First, I think that most statements about "what Org-mode is" are >> > outdated. Many of them are quite good, but they represent the >> > previous state of an evolving system and so fail to capture the >> > full scope. To my mind, Org-mode is a "research programming >> > interface" written by and for scientists who take very seriously >> > certain core values of the scientific enterprise--reproducibility, >> > open access, and open source (a partial list). >> Strongly disagree with the sentiment. My undergraduate degree may >> gave been Physics, but I work as a freelance paralegal. I use Org >> Mode for project (file) planning, scheduling, drafting documents, >> etc. Also, I believe that there are some very active participants on >> this list who are not scientists and have made great contributions. > > +1. Although I'm also a scientist (mathematics), I used Org-mode /once/ > for science, and it turned out that I felt very much constrained and > quickly got back to LaTeX, where I felt much more comfortable. > http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski > Adam Mickiewicz University > This is starting to remind me of bike-shedding. Org-mode is a toolbox providing various things that can work toward whatever end one wants. It's agnostic to field. It doesn't really matter what the end uses are -- Org-mode "is" what functions it provides. How those are combined by others in various fields, lines of work, or so on are simply illustrations of it's capabilities with respect to neat ways of combining various aspects of what Org "is." Thus, I wouldn't try to pitch these things one way or another ("Org is great for paralegals" or "Org is the answer for those doing re-producible research"); I'd simply list what it does as what is "is" and what it can be used "for" as a way to entice new users and help get into the top results of some google searches for tools/solutions/etc.. It seems we all get what it really "is," (TODOs/agenda, universal markdown -> export to tons of formats, allowing mixing of prose/code/results, and so on), but are sort of trying to lay claim to why these tools make it best suited toward some particular field. Whether you use one of Org's features or all of them, it is what it is and this can be highlighted in a neat manner and made appealing to those looking for help in these relevant areas of life. John