From: John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com>
To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Way to replace normal tabular env with booktabs?
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:48:40 -0600 [thread overview]
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Carsten Dominik
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Niels Giesen wrote:
>
> > There is a patch from me waiting to be incorporated into org mode that
> lets one use booktabs as export for normal org tables.
> >
> > You can find it @ http://patchwork.newartisans.com/patch/1016/
>
> Hi NIels,
>
> I am looking now at this patch, and maybe it would be better to implement
> these three variables as one, holding a property or association list?
> Makes it easily extendable.
>
>
From a pretty high-level user perspective (one who couldn't have written
that patch), I would say that from a usability point of view something like:
,---
| org-export-latex-tables-format
`---
With values of "plain/standard/default" or "booktabs" would be awesome.
That is, unless there's situations where someone would want some
combination of regular \hlines mixed with booktabs top and bottom rules?
On a usage note, I was surprised that the patch causes automatic insertion
of top and bottom rules even when the org table doesn't use ascii
top/bottom rules. In fact, if you use "|-" to put ascii rules on an org
chart using this patch, you get double rules.
Just some input from playing with the package a bit.
Thanks again,
John
> Equally important - it would be great if you could try to implement this
> same change in the new exporter engine from Nicolas, to ensure that the new
> exporter will not lag behind.
>
> Regards
>
> - Carsten
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:21 PM, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > The Library of Babel comes with your Org-mode distribution.
> >
> > You'll find it at /contrib/babel/library-of-babel.org
> >
> >
> > I guess you learn something new every day!
> >
> > In the org file, look for
> > * Tables
> > ** LaTeX Table Export
> >
> > There should be functions booktabs and booktabs-notes.
> >
> > One way to use booktabs is described here:
> >
> > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html#sec-13-2
> >
> >
> > I'll check these out. Looked at the worg howto. Not a huge fan of the
> method, especially with hiding my tables, but I'll give it a shot. I figure
> there's got to be a simpler way; just change the first \hline -> \toprule
> and the bottom one to \bottomrule; \midrules in between.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > John
> >
> > hth,
> > Tom
> >
> > John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi John,
> > >>
> > >> Agreed, booktabs makes good looking tables.
> > >>
> > >> Check out your Library of Babel. There should be a couple of
> functions
> > >> there that will help you go from Org mode to booktabs.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Haven't done much with babel other than writing code blocks. Do you
> mean
> > > this page?
> > > --- http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/library-of-babel.html
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion. Feeling a bit lost, but am happy to look
> around
> > > for something that seems similar. I have no elisp-fu, so it'll need to
> be
> > > pretty darn similar :)
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >> hth,
> > >> Tom
> > >>
> > >> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
> > >>
> > >> > Greetings,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I was using wikibooks for some formatting assistance on tables the
> other
> > >> > day and ran into mention of the booktabs package in the
> "Professional
> > >> > tables" section. [1] [2]
> > >> >
> > >> > I really, really liked it's formatting, especially since one of my
> column
> > >> > headers was a fraction. The standard tabular package places the
> \hlines
> > >> > extremely close to the top and bottom of my header row vs., as the
> > >> booktabs
> > >> > package says, having extremely nice looking spacing for the table. I
> > >> ended
> > >> > up doing the table manually inside #+begin_latex block.
> > >> >
> > >> > Would there be any way to specify that booktabs should be used? The
> > >> > formatting is literally identical except for 1) including the
> booktabs
> > >> > package and 2) using \toprule, \midrule and \bottomrule instead of
> > >> \hlines.
> > >> > In fact, even with booktabs included, if you use \hlines instead of
> the
> > >> > booktab specific lines, you'll get a "regular" tabular table.
> > >> >
> > >> > Any thoughts on this?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Best regards,
> > >> > John
> > >> >
> > >> > -----
> > >> > [1] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Tables#Professional_tables
> > >> > [2] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/booktabs/
> > >> > Greetings,I was using wikibooks for some formatting assistance on
> tables
> > >> the other day and ran into mention of the booktabs package in the
> > >> "Professional tables" section. [1] [2]
> > >> > I really, really liked it's formatting, especially since one of
> my
> > >> column headers was a fraction. The standard tabular package places the
> > >> \hlines extremely close to the top and bottom of my header row vs.,
> as the
> > >> booktabs package says, having extremely nice looking spacing for the
> table.
> > >> I ended up doing the table manually inside #+begin_latex block.
> > >> > Would there be any way to specify that booktabs should be used? The
> > >> formatting is literally identical except for 1) including the booktabs
> > >> package and 2) using \toprule, \midrule and \bottomrule instead of
> \hlines.
> > >> In fact, even with booktabs included, if you use \hlines instead of
> the
> > >> booktab specific lines, you'll get a "regular" tabular table.
> > >> > Any thoughts on this?Best regards,John-----[1]
> > >> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Tables#Professional_tables
> > >> > [2] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/booktabs/
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Thomas S. Dye
> > >> http://www.tsdye.com
> > >>
> > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Thomas S. Dye <span dir="ltr"><mailto:
> tsd@tsdye.com></span> wrote:
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Agreed, booktabs makes good looking tables.
> > >
> > > Check out your Library of Babel. There should be a couple of
> functions
> > > there that will help you go from Org mode to booktabs.
> > > Haven't done much with babel other than writing code blocks. Do
> you mean this page?---
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/library-of-babel.html
> > > Thanks for the suggestion. Feeling a bit lost, but am happy to look
> around for something that seems similar. I have no elisp-fu, so it'll
> need to be pretty darn similar :)
> > > John
> > > hth,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > John Hendy <mailto:jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > >> Greetings,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I was using wikibooks for some formatting assistance on tables the
> other
> > >> day and ran into mention of the booktabs package in the "Professional
> > >> tables" section. [1] [2]
> > >>
> > >> I really, really liked it's formatting, especially since one of
> my column
> > >> headers was a fraction. The standard tabular package places the
> \hlines
> > >> extremely close to the top and bottom of my header row vs., as the
> booktabs
> > >> package says, having extremely nice looking spacing for the table. I
> ended
> > >> up doing the table manually inside #+begin_latex block.
> > >>
> > >> Would there be any way to specify that booktabs should be used? The
> > >> formatting is literally identical except for 1) including the booktabs
> > >> package and 2) using \toprule, \midrule and \bottomrule instead of
> \hlines.
> > >> In fact, even with booktabs included, if you use \hlines instead of
> the
> > >> booktab specific lines, you'll get a "regular" tabular table.
> > >>
> > >> Any thoughts on this?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >> -----
> > >> [1] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Tables#Professional_tables
> > >> [2] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/booktabs/
> > >> Greetings,I was using wikibooks for some formatting assistance on
> tables the other day and ran into mention of the booktabs package in the
> "Professional tables" section. [1] [2]
> > >> I really, really liked it's formatting, especially since one of
> my column headers was a fraction. The standard tabular package places the
> \hlines extremely close to the top and bottom of my header row vs., as the
> booktabs package says, having extremely nice looking spacing for the table.
> I ended up doing the table manually inside #+begin_latex block.
> > >
> > >> Would there be any way to specify that booktabs should be used? The
> formatting is literally identical except for 1) including the booktabs
> package and 2) using \toprule, \midrule and \bottomrule instead of \hlines.
> In fact, even with booktabs included, if you use \hlines instead of the
> booktab specific lines, you'll get a "regular" tabular table.
> > >
> > >> Any thoughts on this?Best regards,John-----[1]
> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Tables#Professional_tables
> > >> [2] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/booktabs/
> > > <span class="HOEnZb">
> > > --
> > > Thomas S. Dye
> > > http://www.tsdye.com
> > > </span>
> >
> > --
> > Thomas S. Dye
> > http://www.tsdye.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://pft.github.com
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-13 15:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-12 18:50 Way to replace normal tabular env with booktabs? John Hendy
2012-01-12 20:12 ` Thomas S. Dye
2012-01-12 23:19 ` John Hendy
2012-01-13 0:01 ` Thomas S. Dye
2012-01-13 13:21 ` John Hendy
2012-01-13 14:52 ` Niels Giesen
2012-01-13 15:35 ` John Hendy
2012-01-13 15:39 ` Carsten Dominik
2012-01-13 15:48 ` John Hendy [this message]
2012-01-13 18:32 ` Daniel Bausch
2012-01-13 19:03 ` John Hendy
2012-02-03 23:24 ` John Hendy
2012-02-04 15:54 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-02-08 13:17 ` Niels Giesen
2012-02-08 22:32 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-02-09 19:50 ` John Hendy
2012-02-09 19:57 ` Thomas S. Dye
2012-02-09 20:20 ` John Hendy
2012-02-09 20:24 ` Nick Dokos
2012-02-09 20:27 ` Thomas S. Dye
2012-02-09 20:29 ` Nick Dokos
2012-02-09 21:09 ` John Hendy
2012-02-09 21:26 ` John Hendy
2012-02-09 22:04 ` Thomas S. Dye
2012-02-13 22:13 ` John Hendy
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