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From: Tom Gillespie <tgbugs@gmail.com>
To: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Cc: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>,
	 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Subject: Re: org-assert-version considered harmful
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 00:16:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+G3_POkZq7B1maoXNoswB4abZ9ryy0HRsoBOVyL2_VZAAEqDw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MN0PR20MB4666BCB149CAA6393DE6DD2ABE389@MN0PR20MB4666.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

Sorry to be so late chiming in here. I've only now encountered this
due to the 9.6 release. In short, org-assert-version is an absolute
disaster for me.

At the very least org-assert-version should be non-fatal by default.

Without going into too much detail, an orgstrap shebang block is
forced to use the system installed version of org because it is
intended to work in the absence of an init.el file, or before an
init.el file can ever be loaded.

This means that if a newer version of org is installed then no code
can ever run again after that package is visible on the load path
because loading the newer version of org will immediately cause an
error when something (e.g. ob-python) tries to require org-macs,
terminating the execution of the orgstrap block prematurely. There is
no simple workaround, and there is no guaranteed workaround aside from
going to great lengths to only ever use the builtin version of org.

I'm not going to write anything else at the moment because I've just
spent the last 3+ hours trying to deal with this and am in an
extremely uncharitable mood.

Tom


  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-02  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-12 18:27 org-assert-version considered harmful Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13  1:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13  2:16   ` Timothy
2022-09-13  2:53   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13  3:18     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13 13:26       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13 14:42         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13 16:13           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-14  2:46             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-14 14:08               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-14 19:13                 ` Tim Cross
2022-09-25  2:39               ` Bastien
2022-09-25  3:15                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25  4:27                   ` Timothy
2022-09-25  9:37                   ` Bastien
2022-09-25  9:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 10:24                       ` Bastien
2022-09-25 11:10                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 11:26                           ` Bastien
2022-09-25 12:16                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 13:18                               ` Bastien
2022-09-26 11:15                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 12:20                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 13:16                               ` Bastien
2022-09-26 11:29                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-27 21:35                   ` Bastien
2022-10-31 14:11                     ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-10-31 20:16                       ` [External] : " Daniel Ortmann
2022-10-31 20:40                         ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-10-31 23:16                       ` Tim Cross
2022-11-01  6:09                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-02 20:42                         ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-11-03  7:51                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-03 17:30                             ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-02  8:16                               ` Tom Gillespie [this message]
2022-12-02  6:45                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-04  4:22                                   ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-04  4:33                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-04 11:12                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 11:08                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 12:30                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-16 12:41                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 13:41                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18  9:37                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 13:19                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18 13:33                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 13:45                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18 14:26                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 14:29                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-17 16:43                                           ` Max Nikulin
2023-08-17 16:59                                             ` Ihor Radchenko

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