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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=eKpA+JrE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.71 X-TUID: VUbBoV7mBUmR Hi Ian, Thanks for getting this started. I have been collecting a list of org babel issues and worg is definitely a better place to put them than in one big email. Since there are so many different features that a babel language implementation can support I don't want to try to put them all in one table quite yet but I think it may be helpful to do so eventually. Until that time does it make sense to add new sections to the file that cover specific features? For example I have tests on TRAMP support and/or support for execution via a remote session that I would like to add from my internal notes. Can I add it as a new section? Best! Tom On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:06 AM Tim Cross wrote: > > > ian martins writes: > > > Something I've found challenging is the inconsistency between babel > > languages. It makes it difficult for a babel user to get a source > > block to do what they want, or for a babel developer to even know what > > correct behavior is. > > > > I'm not sure if anything can be done since changes will likely break > > existing behavior, but it's good to at least know what the rule is and > > where the exceptions to the rule are. To that end I started a page on > > worg [1] to document current behavior for actions taken across babel > > languages. > > > > [1] https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/lang-compat.html > > > this is a great initiative Ian. First step in addressing inconsistencies > is documenting them. I will try to allocate time on the weekend to > review what you have and see if there are any I know of which you have > not included. > > > -- > Tim Cross >