From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Org-mode and taskpaper Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:26:49 +0200 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgatc-0003Qs-AO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:27:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgatZ-0003QV-AB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:27:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgatZ-0003QQ-0Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:27:01 -0400 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgatY-0004iy-DG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:27:00 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgatX-0005Ms-Gi for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:26:59 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so50475ugf.48 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:26:56 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode Mailinglist Dear all, the recent discussion about Taskpaper in the thread started by Clint Laskowski has made me realize how much we have lost out way with Org-mode. Org-mode was once a compact and easy tool just like taskpaper. In fact, looking at the features of taskpaper, one might think that they had an older version of Org-mode as model and goal of their development. But in the meantime, mostly due to a mountain of demands from this group, it has become so bloated with mostly useless features, that all but the most geeky users are totally confused by this. Reading this thread has really cost me a lot of sleep, but I have now come to the conclusion that we need to turn the tide and downscope Org-mode significantly. Luckily I have recently put much effort into splitting org.el into a number of separate files with separate features. This allows us a very simple and straight-forward path for this down-scoping effort. I can simply try to remove one of these separate files after the other and then see how much complaining I will get for this. In this way, we can make this process community-based, but I will need you to frequently update org-mode and to give me feedback during the process. Those of you who actively follow the git repository might have noticed that this morning I have started by removing org-table.el, the file containing the table editor. Unfortunately this also means that the clocktable support no longer works, but I have always considered this as a sickening feature anyway, which tries to streamline our life, but in fact only leads to more work, and to more time taken away from spending with partners, kids and friends. I hope that you can all agree with my conclusion. If not, than I am confident that with time you will realize just how important today's decision was. - Carsten