From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Scot Becker Subject: Re: how difficultwould it be to support zotero in org? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:12:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87lj7kapzq.wl%dmaus@ictsoc.de> <4C801DFC.8030700@christianmoe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1347221333==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33178 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Orccj-0007Ry-Js for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:12:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Orcch-0003WR-VQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:12:33 -0400 Received: from mail-gw0-f41.google.com ([74.125.83.41]:37617) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Orcch-0003WM-Qt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:12:31 -0400 Received: by gwj16 with SMTP id 16so1178130gwj.0 for ; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:12:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Matt Price Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1347221333== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b17ee9ec67048f608c33 --000e0cd6b17ee9ec67048f608c33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Another Zotero + org user here. Right now I do what Christian does: export Zotero to slightly tweaked BibTeX, and insert with RefTeX's amazingly cool reference-insertion interface (another genius piece of work by Carsten). I can think of two profitable ways to make inserting references from one's Zotero database into org-mode notes better, and one further way that org-mode could be more tightly linked with Zotero. 1) A utility (presumably part firefox plugin) which keeps a BibTeX file in sync with one of Zotero's collections. That way you don't have to do a full manual export of your Zotero collection every time you add or change something. RefTeX provides the citation insertion interface. Something similar this to existsfor LyX. It doesn't sync a whole Z. collection, but creates a .bib file with the items you actually cite in your document. The author (an Emacs user) even considered generalizing it for use without LyX runing, i.e. for Emacs, but didn't find enough steam (after all, he uses LyX). (I also know that Mendeley can be made to auto-import from Zotero and to auto-export to BibTeX, but Mendeley's BibTeX export is not flexible.) 2) a org-mode-specific plain-text citation mechanism, analogous to BibTeX, but useful for both LaTeX and non-LaTeX exports. It would presumably have a CSL backend, and work the way that citeproc-hsworks for pandoc. Presumably it could also use a RefTeX-like interface for citation insertion. 3) Easier ways to take reading notes (in org) on items in the Zotero database, with two way linking. (Thanks already for the tips in this thread.) Scot On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Matt Price wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Matt Price wrote: > >> >> I have this notion I saw a generic exporter that someone wrote for odt, in >>> which you feed the exporter a template document which ocntains all the >>> relevant style definitions. but I can't find it anymore, and as I recall it >>> didn't really seem to work very well anyway. >>> >> >> ah, it was a muse-mode exporter: > http://www.mail-archive.com/muse-el-discuss@gna.org/msg01083.html > > would that be a good beginning for a native odt exporter i norg, or would > it be better to start from scratch with the org generic exporter? anyway > thanks, > m > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > --000e0cd6b17ee9ec67048f608c33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another Zotero + org user here.=A0 Right now I do what Christian does: expo= rt Zotero to slightly tweaked BibTeX, and insert with RefTeX's amazingly cool refere= nce-insertion interface (another genius piece of work by Carsten).=A0 I can= think of two profitable ways to make inserting references from one's Z= otero database into org-mode notes better, and one further way that org-mod= e could be more tightly linked with Zotero.

1)=A0 A utility (presumably part firefox plugin) which keeps a BibTeX f= ile in sync with one of Zotero's collections.=A0 That way you don't= have to do a full manual export of your Zotero collection every time you a= dd or change something.=A0 RefTeX provides the citation insertion interface= .=A0 Something similar this to exists for LyX.=A0 It doesn't sync a whole Z.= collection, but creates a .bib file with the items you actually cite in yo= ur document.=A0 The author (an Emacs user) even considered generalizing it = for use without LyX runing, i.e. for Emacs, but didn't find enough stea= m (after all, he uses LyX).=A0 (I also know that Mendeley can be made to au= to-import from Zotero and to auto-export to BibTeX, but Mendeley's BibT= eX export is not flexible.)

2)=A0 a org-mode-specific plain-text citation mechanism, analogous to B= ibTeX, but useful for both LaTeX and non-LaTeX exports.=A0 It would presuma= bly have a CSL backend, and work the way that citeproc-hs works for pandoc.=A0 Presumably it coul= d also use a RefTeX-like interface for citation insertion.=A0

3) Easier ways to take reading notes (in org) on items in the Zotero da= tabase, with two way linking.=A0 (Thanks already for the tips in this threa= d.)

Scot


On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 a= t 1:50 AM, Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Matt Pr= ice <moptop99@gmail.com> wrote:

I have this notion I saw a generic exporter that someone wrote for odt, in= which you feed the exporter a template document which ocntains all the rel= evant style definitions.=A0 but I can't find it anymore, and as I recal= l it didn't really seem to work very well anyway.=A0

ah, it was a muse-mode exporter:
http://www.mail-= archive.com/muse-el-discuss@gna.org/msg01083.html

would that be a good beginning for a native odt exporter i norg, = or would it be better to start from scratch with the org generic exporter? = =A0 anyway thanks,
m

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