Re: [OT] Have you also got hooked by Vim?

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com>]

Nice!

I think that the classic flame wars, while unavoidable at certain
levels, just end up sucking energy. Why not embrace and use the best
of both worlds to your benefit?

Emacs and Vim are without any doubt the best two piece of software in
what comes to text editing/surgery. Emacs has orgmode and is a great
lisp platform. Vim's modal editing is best suited for editing text,
and the editor itself and its simplicity are a plus.

Now, many would ask me, why the hell would I use Emacs + Orgmode when
I can use Things.app or other modern GUI . The final answer is:
Efficiency, speed and flexbility. For such an important thing as
personal organization, I think that the implementation of your system
needs to be as flexible as possible, but also simple and fast to
operate. You can't get it anywhere else, I'm sure. Unless you develop
you own PIM from scratch.

I don't think I would use org on VIM full-time; It's nice to have the
compatibility but I don't like VIMScript and haven't tried the
external scripting to VIM, but I do like elisp (although I'm only a
beginner on it).

For my professional duties, MacVim exceeds emacs. Why? Because it is
simpler and more efficient. As a PIM platform (or should I say
framework?) I can't really think of anything better than emacs +
orgmode + your custom hacks.

But anyway, it's so much fun to learn all these technologies... oh,
the geek inside of me... :)

Marcelo.


On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hey list,
>
> [...]
>
>> However, I've got hooked. Vim (in my case, MacVim) has conquered my
>> hands. I know I'm risking myself a lot by saying it on an
>> emacs-related mailing list, but the Vim navigation and the vim model
>> in general is much more efficient for editing text.
>>
>> (Btw, that's what led me into Viper and Vimpulse on emacs, I'm
>> currently using them with org)
>>
>> So, how many of you here also use Vim? :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Marcelo.
>
> Well, I cut my teeth on vi 30+ years ago (yes :(, on Unix V7 on a PDP
> 11/45 I think it was...) and my fingers still think that hjkl are the
> normal keys to use for navigation!  I do like the modal approach of vi.
>
> However, it's the power of Emacs as a development platform
> (i.e. infinitely customisable) that means I have been using it for
> almost as long and it is my editor of choice for most things.  For quick
> and dirty jobs (e.g. add a line or two in some config file while logged
> in from my phone), I'll use vi but otherwise it's Emacs.
>
> I did try one or another of the vi modes in Emacs but just basically got
> annoyed so gave up...
>
> I am following the development of org on vim closely, mind you, but
> haven't tried it out yet.  However, I would need gnus on vim as well ;-)
>
> --
> : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 23.2.1
> : using Org-mode version 7.4 (release_7.4.168.g0ec8)
>