Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

Hey all!

I used to be an avid user of WikiDPad, and I loved the way it
automatically (or manually, using [ ]) created links and files to
these links (CamelCase) for me. The way it provided a visual tree of
the wiki was also pretty cool.

This was awesome for reference kind of data, to build your own
knowledge base. I've been trying to test different approaches with
org, but none of them work as smoothly as it worked for me when using
wikidpad.

I divide reference data in two main categories: Dynamic and Static.
Static are the notes and stuff that youl want to keep somewhere and
that you'll eventually refer to later. Dynamic are the kind of that
you'll be editing often, but does not fit in any other category
GTD-wise. It is reference, you want to keep it somewhere, not take
action on it per se (other than editing it), but you want to expand
and modify it often.

How difficult would it be to implement a small system that would index
the files of directory, get the names (camel-case) and automatically
link to these names if written on an org buffer? My elisp skills are
very weak as of now.

I know some of you might list a number of points against implementing
this, but I really loved the way Wikdpad created links on the fly.

Thanks,

Marcelo

Re: Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[Erik Iverson]

Perhaps I am confused, but have you tried radio targets?

http://orgmode.org/org.html#Radio-targets


Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> Hey all!
> 
> I used to be an avid user of WikiDPad, and I loved the way it
> automatically (or manually, using [ ]) created links and files to
> these links (CamelCase) for me. The way it provided a visual tree of
> the wiki was also pretty cool.
> 
> This was awesome for reference kind of data, to build your own
> knowledge base. I've been trying to test different approaches with
> org, but none of them work as smoothly as it worked for me when using
> wikidpad.
> 
> I divide reference data in two main categories: Dynamic and Static.
> Static are the notes and stuff that youl want to keep somewhere and
> that you'll eventually refer to later. Dynamic are the kind of that
> you'll be editing often, but does not fit in any other category
> GTD-wise. It is reference, you want to keep it somewhere, not take
> action on it per se (other than editing it), but you want to expand
> and modify it often.
> 
> How difficult would it be to implement a small system that would index
> the files of directory, get the names (camel-case) and automatically
> link to these names if written on an org buffer? My elisp skills are
> very weak as of now.
> 
> I know some of you might list a number of points against implementing
> this, but I really loved the way Wikdpad created links on the fly.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Marcelo
> 
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> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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Re: Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

This doesn't seem to apply to what I want. It only links to org items
inside the org file.

Thanks for the hint, though!

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Erik Iverson <eriki@ccbr.umn.edu> wrote:
> Perhaps I am confused, but have you tried radio targets?
>
> http://orgmode.org/org.html#Radio-targets
>
>
> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
>>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I used to be an avid user of WikiDPad, and I loved the way it
>> automatically (or manually, using [ ]) created links and files to
>> these links (CamelCase) for me. The way it provided a visual tree of
>> the wiki was also pretty cool.
>>
>> This was awesome for reference kind of data, to build your own
>> knowledge base. I've been trying to test different approaches with
>> org, but none of them work as smoothly as it worked for me when using
>> wikidpad.
>>
>> I divide reference data in two main categories: Dynamic and Static.
>> Static are the notes and stuff that youl want to keep somewhere and
>> that you'll eventually refer to later. Dynamic are the kind of that
>> you'll be editing often, but does not fit in any other category
>> GTD-wise. It is reference, you want to keep it somewhere, not take
>> action on it per se (other than editing it), but you want to expand
>> and modify it often.
>>
>> How difficult would it be to implement a small system that would index
>> the files of directory, get the names (camel-case) and automatically
>> link to these names if written on an org buffer? My elisp skills are
>> very weak as of now.
>>
>> I know some of you might list a number of points against implementing
>> this, but I really loved the way Wikdpad created links on the fly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marcelo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>

Re: Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[Russell Adams]

Actually, the idea of CamelCase linking to a headline in the same file
is an interesting idea, using RadioTarges for external links.

** MyTopic

** Another topic

Those people who like MyTopic are totally cool.

Naysayers live in file:~/doc/Woopie.org:NaySayers



On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 01:09:00PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> This doesn't seem to apply to what I want. It only links to org items
> inside the org file.
> 
> Thanks for the hint, though!
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Erik Iverson <eriki@ccbr.umn.edu> wrote:
> > Perhaps I am confused, but have you tried radio targets?
> >
> > http://orgmode.org/org.html#Radio-targets
> >
> >
> > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey all!
> >>
> >> I used to be an avid user of WikiDPad, and I loved the way it
> >> automatically (or manually, using [ ]) created links and files to
> >> these links (CamelCase) for me. The way it provided a visual tree of
> >> the wiki was also pretty cool.
> >>
> >> This was awesome for reference kind of data, to build your own
> >> knowledge base. I've been trying to test different approaches with
> >> org, but none of them work as smoothly as it worked for me when using
> >> wikidpad.
> >>
> >> I divide reference data in two main categories: Dynamic and Static.
> >> Static are the notes and stuff that youl want to keep somewhere and
> >> that you'll eventually refer to later. Dynamic are the kind of that
> >> you'll be editing often, but does not fit in any other category
> >> GTD-wise. It is reference, you want to keep it somewhere, not take
> >> action on it per se (other than editing it), but you want to expand
> >> and modify it often.
> >>
> >> How difficult would it be to implement a small system that would index
> >> the files of directory, get the names (camel-case) and automatically
> >> link to these names if written on an org buffer? My elisp skills are
> >> very weak as of now.
> >>
> >> I know some of you might list a number of points against implementing
> >> this, but I really loved the way Wikdpad created links on the fly.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Marcelo
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
> >
> 
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Re: Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

Would it be hard to create an extension (not sure where, elisp skills
still very limited) that highlights camel-cased words and, when
clicking on it, would create or open a file with the name of the word
+ .org?

For "dynamic" reference data (data you want to keep, and that you want
to keep editing and improving over time) the concept of a wiki (even
if its collaboration aspect is not being used) is perfect, in my
opinion. If you try wikidpad, you'll see how organic and pragmatic it
is, allowing you to just input new data and constructing an overview
tree dynamically. Pretty cool.

Whenever I have time, I will check the algorithm WikiDPad uses to
create the visualization tree (which is also one of its greates
features, in my opinion).

Cheers,

Marcelo.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Russell Adams
<RLAdams@adamsinfoserv.com> wrote:
> Actually, the idea of CamelCase linking to a headline in the same file
> is an interesting idea, using RadioTarges for external links.
>
> ** MyTopic
>
> ** Another topic
>
> Those people who like MyTopic are totally cool.
>
> Naysayers live in file:~/doc/Woopie.org:NaySayers
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 01:09:00PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
>> This doesn't seem to apply to what I want. It only links to org items
>> inside the org file.
>>
>> Thanks for the hint, though!
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Erik Iverson <eriki@ccbr.umn.edu> wrote:
>> > Perhaps I am confused, but have you tried radio targets?
>> >
>> > http://orgmode.org/org.html#Radio-targets
>> >
>> >
>> > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey all!
>> >>
>> >> I used to be an avid user of WikiDPad, and I loved the way it
>> >> automatically (or manually, using [ ]) created links and files to
>> >> these links (CamelCase) for me. The way it provided a visual tree of
>> >> the wiki was also pretty cool.
>> >>
>> >> This was awesome for reference kind of data, to build your own
>> >> knowledge base. I've been trying to test different approaches with
>> >> org, but none of them work as smoothly as it worked for me when using
>> >> wikidpad.
>> >>
>> >> I divide reference data in two main categories: Dynamic and Static.
>> >> Static are the notes and stuff that youl want to keep somewhere and
>> >> that you'll eventually refer to later. Dynamic are the kind of that
>> >> you'll be editing often, but does not fit in any other category
>> >> GTD-wise. It is reference, you want to keep it somewhere, not take
>> >> action on it per se (other than editing it), but you want to expand
>> >> and modify it often.
>> >>
>> >> How difficult would it be to implement a small system that would index
>> >> the files of directory, get the names (camel-case) and automatically
>> >> link to these names if written on an org buffer? My elisp skills are
>> >> very weak as of now.
>> >>
>> >> I know some of you might list a number of points against implementing
>> >> this, but I really loved the way Wikdpad created links on the fly.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Marcelo
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>> >
>>
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>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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>>
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Re: Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[John Hendy]

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I migrated to orgmode from TiddlyWiki and understand the ease of simply
writing [[PageName]] during edits.

I don't think, however, that this is all that far from what org already
provides with links:

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/org/Handling-links.html

<http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/org/Handling-links.html>I
just tried this out and while admittedly it's not as easy as writing
CamelCase, it's pretty straightforward:

- Write along and decide to link somewhere
- C-u C-c C-l
- Minibuffer starts with a relative location to your current working
directory, e.g. ~/org/ for me
- Pressing tab brings up a list of possible files in this directory
- Editing the location to point to a different dir would allow for linking
elsewhere
- Enter when file name is found (or suggest a brand new .org file that
doesn't exist)
- Enter the description

Once the link is created:
- With cursor on it, do C-c C-o to open the existing file or create a blank
one if it didn't exist
- C-x C-o to bounce back and forth between buffers or C-c & to close opened
link and just return to original file

I'm sure others will chime in with ways to perhaps alter this existing
functionality for automated detection, but the system as-is is also pretty
nice.

Oh, you can link to specific headlines as well.
- Go to the headline you want and do C-c l
- Go back where you want the link and do C-c C-l + up/down arrows to pull up
the stored link
- Enter the description (or press enter to accept the headline title)

That simple.


John

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <
celoserpa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Would it be hard to create an extension (not sure where, elisp skills
> still very limited) that highlights camel-cased words and, when
> clicking on it, would create or open a file with the name of the word
> + .org?
>
> For "dynamic" reference data (data you want to keep, and that you want
> to keep editing and improving over time) the concept of a wiki (even
> if its collaboration aspect is not being used) is perfect, in my
> opinion. If you try wikidpad, you'll see how organic and pragmatic it
> is, allowing you to just input new data and constructing an overview
> tree dynamically. Pretty cool.
>
> Whenever I have time, I will check the algorithm WikiDPad uses to
> create the visualization tree (which is also one of its greates
> features, in my opinion).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marcelo.
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Russell Adams
> <RLAdams@adamsinfoserv.com> wrote:
> > Actually, the idea of CamelCase linking to a headline in the same file
> > is an interesting idea, using RadioTarges for external links.
> >
> > ** MyTopic
> >
> > ** Another topic
> >
> > Those people who like MyTopic are totally cool.
> >
> > Naysayers live in file:~/doc/Woopie.org:NaySayers
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 01:09:00PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> >> This doesn't seem to apply to what I want. It only links to org items
> >> inside the org file.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the hint, though!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Erik Iverson <eriki@ccbr.umn.edu>
> wrote:
> >> > Perhaps I am confused, but have you tried radio targets?
> >> >
> >> > http://orgmode.org/org.html#Radio-targets
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey all!
> >> >>
> >> >> I used to be an avid user of WikiDPad, and I loved the way it
> >> >> automatically (or manually, using [ ]) created links and files to
> >> >> these links (CamelCase) for me. The way it provided a visual tree of
> >> >> the wiki was also pretty cool.
> >> >>
> >> >> This was awesome for reference kind of data, to build your own
> >> >> knowledge base. I've been trying to test different approaches with
> >> >> org, but none of them work as smoothly as it worked for me when using
> >> >> wikidpad.
> >> >>
> >> >> I divide reference data in two main categories: Dynamic and Static.
> >> >> Static are the notes and stuff that youl want to keep somewhere and
> >> >> that you'll eventually refer to later. Dynamic are the kind of that
> >> >> you'll be editing often, but does not fit in any other category
> >> >> GTD-wise. It is reference, you want to keep it somewhere, not take
> >> >> action on it per se (other than editing it), but you want to expand
> >> >> and modify it often.
> >> >>
> >> >> How difficult would it be to implement a small system that would
> index
> >> >> the files of directory, get the names (camel-case) and automatically
> >> >> link to these names if written on an org buffer? My elisp skills are
> >> >> very weak as of now.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know some of you might list a number of points against implementing
> >> >> this, but I really loved the way Wikdpad created links on the fly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Marcelo
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> >> >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> >> >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
> >> >
> >>
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> >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
> >>
> >
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Re: Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[Olivier Berger]

Hi.

Le mercredi 28 juillet 2010 à 11:47 -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa a
écrit :
> Would it be hard to create an extension (not sure where, elisp skills
> still very limited) that highlights camel-cased words and, when
> clicking on it, would create or open a file with the name of the word
> + .org?
> 

This kind of features was extremely useful in Zim, to ease my efforts to
the construction of hyperlinked reference docs.

I'd love to see this possibility in Org-Mode.

My 2 cents,

> For "dynamic" reference data (data you want to keep, and that you want
> to keep editing and improving over time) the concept of a wiki (even
> if its collaboration aspect is not being used) is perfect, in my
> opinion. If you try wikidpad, you'll see how organic and pragmatic it
> is, allowing you to just input new data and constructing an overview
> tree dynamically. Pretty cool.
> 
> Whenever I have time, I will check the algorithm WikiDPad uses to
> create the visualization tree (which is also one of its greates
> features, in my opinion).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marcelo.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Russell Adams
> <RLAdams@adamsinfoserv.com> wrote:
> > Actually, the idea of CamelCase linking to a headline in the same file
> > is an interesting idea, using RadioTarges for external links.
> >
> > ** MyTopic
> >
> > ** Another topic
> >
> > Those people who like MyTopic are totally cool.
> >
> > Naysayers live in file:~/doc/Woopie.org:NaySayers
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 01:09:00PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> >> This doesn't seem to apply to what I want. It only links to org items
> >> inside the org file.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the hint, though!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Erik Iverson <eriki@ccbr.umn.edu> wrote:
> >> > Perhaps I am confused, but have you tried radio targets?
> >> >
> >> > http://orgmode.org/org.html#Radio-targets
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey all!
> >> >>
> >> >> I used to be an avid user of WikiDPad, and I loved the way it
> >> >> automatically (or manually, using [ ]) created links and files to
> >> >> these links (CamelCase) for me. The way it provided a visual tree of
> >> >> the wiki was also pretty cool.
> >> >>
> >> >> This was awesome for reference kind of data, to build your own
> >> >> knowledge base. I've been trying to test different approaches with
> >> >> org, but none of them work as smoothly as it worked for me when using
> >> >> wikidpad.
> >> >>
> >> >> I divide reference data in two main categories: Dynamic and Static.
> >> >> Static are the notes and stuff that youl want to keep somewhere and
> >> >> that you'll eventually refer to later. Dynamic are the kind of that
> >> >> you'll be editing often, but does not fit in any other category
> >> >> GTD-wise. It is reference, you want to keep it somewhere, not take
> >> >> action on it per se (other than editing it), but you want to expand
> >> >> and modify it often.
> >> >>
> >> >> How difficult would it be to implement a small system that would index
> >> >> the files of directory, get the names (camel-case) and automatically
> >> >> link to these names if written on an org buffer? My elisp skills are
> >> >> very weak as of now.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know some of you might list a number of points against implementing
> >> >> this, but I really loved the way Wikdpad created links on the fly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Marcelo
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> >> >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> >> >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
> >> >
> >>
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> >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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> >>
> >
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Re: Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[Isaac]

I encounter the same issue as a wikidpad user migrated to emacs
It would be fantastic, if emacs org can have a visual tree display of its 
headings in a sperate window, something like the speedbar?

file linking can be fairly easily done in org, However, wikidpad is more of a 
database approach (possible to use sqlite as backend), whereas emacs org is a 
single file based mode: my guess is that implementing wikidpad feature in emacs 
would would end as a different application, other than what emacs is intended - 
a mighty text editor

Re: Re: Wiki-like creating links on the fly for org

[Bastien]

Hi Isaac,

Isaac <ip@cbmny.us> writes:

> I encounter the same issue as a wikidpad user migrated to emacs
> It would be fantastic, if emacs org can have a visual tree display of its 
> headings in a sperate window, something like the speedbar?

Maybe have a look at org-toc.el in contrib/.  

M-x org-toc-show (and `?' for a quick help).

I must say it's pretty buggy, though.

Also, `C-x 4 c' might be helpful to create an indirect buffer: then you
can edit in the original buffer and use the indirect one to navigate.

> file linking can be fairly easily done in org, However, wikidpad is more of a 
> database approach (possible to use sqlite as backend), whereas emacs org is a 
> single file based mode: my guess is that implementing wikidpad feature in emacs 
> would would end as a different application, other than what emacs is intended - 
> a mighty text editor

Org can handle several files and helps you create links between all of
them.  What is the precise feature you're missing here?  

Best,

-- 
 Bastien