From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Scot Becker Subject: Re: Re: [ANN] Org-babel integrated into Org-mode Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:59:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87wrtp78rg.fsf@gmail.com> <874oglofzs.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0376056263==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59221 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OTu51-0002ef-Ai for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:59:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OTu4z-0007QC-NJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:59:43 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com ([74.125.83.169]:49980) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OTu4z-0007Pn-DP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:59:41 -0400 Received: by pvg11 with SMTP id 11so698778pvg.0 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 02:59:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: Matt Lundin , Org Mode --===============0376056263== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4cd327eee83048a3c69eb --000e0cd4cd327eee83048a3c69eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Eric Schulte wrote: > > - Org-babel adds rather specific and complex functionality to org-mode > > that those who use it as a simple outliner and todo manager do not > > require. (In other words, an option to turn it off might be nice for > > those who are worried about "feature creep.") > > > > I'm less struck by this point, as there are many features of Org-mode > which I personally don't understand or use and I'm certainly some > features the existence of which I am completely unaware. However as > long as Babel doesn't significantly affect load time, I'd rather it be > present in the background, to simplify it's use. > And there's a significant advantage to having it included and 'on': ubiquity. An org user doesn't have to have set anything up to load up Eric's babel-ized version of the emacs starter kit and start playing with it in babel. [http://github.com/eschulte/emacs-starter-kit] It's the same advantage that org-mode gains by being part of Emacs. We can say: "Want to try org-mode? just do 'M-x org-mode' Now make some headlines with CTRL-RET and...." Org babel is good, useful and stable enough that it deserves the same boost. Having said that, I'm all for Carsten's new code execution key binding. Org advertises C-c C-c as a friendly key which mostly 'does the right thing' on the current block. I could imagine that unwary newish users might not realize that in this case 'the right thing' is to execute that code. Paranoia does seem a good default practice in this case. Scot --000e0cd4cd327eee83048a3c69eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at=20 11:03 PM, Eric Schulte <schulte.eric@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0 - Org-babel adds rather specific and complex functionality=20 to org-mode
> =A0 =A0 that those who use it as a simple outliner and todo manager do= =20 not
> =A0 =A0 require. (In other words, an option to turn it off might be=20 nice for
> =A0 =A0 those who are worried about "feature creep.")
>

I'm less struck by this point, as there are many features of=20 Org-mode
which I personally don't understand or use and I'm certainly some features the existence of which I am completely unaware. =A0However as
long as Babel doesn't significantly affect load time, I'd rather it= be
present in the background, to simplify it's use.

And there's a significant=20 advantage to having it included and 'on': ubiquity.=A0 An=A0 org us= er=20 doesn't have to have set anything up to load up Eric's babel-ized= =20 version of the emacs starter kit and start playing with it in babel.=A0 [ht= tp://github.com/eschulte/emacs-starter-kit]

It's the same advantage that org-mode gains by being part of Emacs.= =A0 We can say:=A0 "Want to try org-mode?=A0 just do 'M-x org-mode= 9;=A0 Now make=20 some headlines with CTRL-RET and...."=A0 Org babel is good, useful and= =20 stable enough that it deserves the same boost. =A0=A0

Having said that, I'm all for Carsten's new code execution key = binding.=A0 Org advertises C-c C-c as a friendly key which mostly 'does the right=20 thing' on the current block.=A0 I could imagine that unwary newish user= s=20 might not realize that in this case 'the right thing' is to execute= that code.=A0 Paranoia does seem a good default practice in this case.

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